Ms Marvel on Disney+ (June 8th) Trailer out

[Rekkapryde]

They CGI'd her "running" through the city and I couldn't help but laugh

She's gotta be more physical not just for this role but all the future roles shes gonna get just from being in this, so yeah, it's time for her to hit the gym

I liked the show a lot but that shyt looked terrible.

Another example where they should have tried to recreate it physically instead of using CGI

 

[Ironman]

That post-credits scene...

Spoiler

I guess it confirms that the bangle Kamala is wearing is one of the Nega Bands and she is going to play the Rick Jones role of switching places with Captain Marvel like in the comics.

Spoiler

So those are quasars bands then So Carol most likely has the other half

 

[SunZoo]

sorry but I am a bit lost here.

the x-men are forced to be outsiders. the avengers are not.

so some reason must exist to differentiate them.

IFF we throw away the reason used in the comics what do you suggest we replace it with?

nothing?

"If you establish that the celestials (and possibly the high evolutionary) tamper with the life forms on the planets they seed, there is no real reason to split hairs between Inhumans, mutants and mutates as they are all a result of genetic engineering."

The differenetiation has already been laid out. The Avengers are accepted to the degree that they are because they're a well known, mainstream outfit who are mostly humans who have been enhanced by science or tech. The main ones were public figures and even registered government operatives, with Peter ironnically being the only one with a secret identity. The ones who are less (or more) than human have to be reigned in (Hulk, Wanda) and assimilated into the group lest they be outcasted and hunted down.

While some mutants can blend in with the rest of humanity, a lot of them cannot. It's either apperance or they have abilities that can't be explained away with science or tech. The minute the world finds out that there are people out there who are BORN with abilities, as in a whole different race/species of "living weapons of mass destruction" the fear mongering by agencies like the DDOC and A.I.M. will ramp up as will the xenophobia.

utter rot. firstly marvel comics, the source material, splits them out.

The MCU does not stick strictly to the source material, for good reason in some cases, as seen in the show this thread is about. And according to the source material, the celestials are at the root of all the potential for mutation in the human genome. Why we need to piece out that Inhumans, another race of genetically engineered super people are somehow their own thing is reduntant, in the comics let alone on screen.

you might be ok with spiderman or thor but do you want mutants in your child's school that can see through walls? that can read your child's mind? that might injure or kill them?

that fear in and off itself is why xavier ran a school in the first place.

mutants are the unseen enemy in your school, in your family that might turn against you at any point and that will eventually wipe out humans.

it is genetic hatred that drives that, just as it drives racism today.

I addressed all this above and agree with you, I just don't deem it nessecary to try and explain to the casual audience the nuances of mutation. Even in Ms. Marvel the show you have clandestines/jinn, the x-men music..does the DDOC know or care about Kamala's DNA? How much time should be spent on wether she's a genie, a mutant, mutate or an inhuman...these are just labels that deliniate the genetic potentials.

Using the Avengers game for example, the people who got exposed to the mist started manifesting powers and abnormalities and began getting rounded up, what's really gonna seperate them from mutants on screen? They gonna put them in two different camps? You don't have to slice and dice the terminology depict the public freak out that's going to happen when there's an acceleration of mutation, wether it be through birth or other catalysts, the public is going to freak the fukk out and start rounding these people up.

Spoiler

If something like that happens at an elemenatry school, Civil War 2 will be about 'mutant' registration and concentration camps instead of reigning in super soldiers and science experiments.

 

[Luke Cage]

The differenetiation has already been laid out. The Avengers are accepted to the degree that they are because they're a well known, mainstream outfit who are mostly humans who have been enhanced by science or tech. The main ones were public figures and even registered government operatives, with Peter ironnically being the only one with a secret identity. The ones who are less (or more) than human have to be reigned in (Hulk, Wanda) and assimilated into the group lest they be outcasted and hunted down.

While some mutants can blend in with the rest of humanity, a lot of them cannot. It's either apperance or they have abilities that can't be explained away with science or tech. The minute the world finds out that there are people out there who are BORN with abilities, as in a whole different race/species of "living weapons of mass destruction" the fear mongering by agencies like the DDOC and A.I.M. will ramp up as will the xenophobia.



The MCU does not stick strictly to the source material, for good reason in some cases, as seen in the show this thread is about. And according to the source material, the celestials are at the root of all the potential for mutation in the human genome. Why we need to piece out that Inhumans, another race of genetically engineered super people are somehow their own thing is reduntant, in the comics let alone on screen.



I addressed all this above and agree with you, I just don't deem it nessecary to try and explain to the casual audience the nuances of mutation. Even in Ms. Marvel the show you have clandestines/jinn, the x-men music..does the DDOC know or care about Kamala's DNA? How much time should be spent on wether she's a genie, a mutant, mutate or an inhuman...these are just labels that deliniate the genetic potentials.

Using the Avengers game for example, the people who got exposed to the mist started manifesting powers and abnormalities and began getting rounded up, what's really gonna seperate them from mutants on screen? They gonna put them in two different camps? You don't have to slice and dice the terminology depict the public freak out that's going to happen when there's an acceleration of mutation, wether it be through birth or other catalysts, the public is going to freak the fukk out and start rounding these people up.

Spoiler

If something like that happens at an elemenatry school, Civil War 2 will be about 'mutant' registration and concentration camps instead of reigning in super soldiers and science experiments.

This is the same reasoning i use.

but people are forgetting a very important point. Racism and discrimination are not derived from any logic. It's wholly ignorant. People don't need a good reason to be racist. They might just see the avengers as the one the "good ones" and that would be enough to justify the different treatment,
There are people in real life that hate black people but would faint if MJ walked into their living room. It just is what it is. People hate mutants and the Avengers are accepted despite their being no discernable difference.

 

[SunZoo]

In 616 lore, essentially everything ties back to the Deviants/Celestials/Eternals. In the beginning, they did what they did and it is the reason that radiation and such doesn't kill normal people, but instead gives them powers. You have to be a deep comic reader to know that though.

Exactly.

And if you watched Eternals, that's exactly the tone they have set for the on screen 616. It's Ancient Aliens the movie. The 'missing link' in humanity's evoltion is genetic engneering.

But instead, Mutants are those born with the X-gene, the Inhumans are turned by the Terrigen mist (technically still a mutation), and the rest are genetically altered through experiments/accidents. But the divide will always be the HOW, rather than the reason....just like IRL, so more me, it makes sense to keep them categorized. It still comes down to "Us vs Them"

I get all that, I'm just saying...using Ms. Marvel as an example, When inhumans got hit with the mist, did they not manifest powers and abnormalties that instantly made it "us vs. them"?

People seem to be upset that the MCU is seemingly getting ready to conflate mutants with inhumans when I really don't see the benefit of having two seperate groups being rounded up and placed in camps for being different. You can still show how infinity stones, bangles, experiments, terrigen mists and other things can be different catalysts for mutation...but they're all mutants at the end of the day due to genetic manipulation.

I wouldn't be surprised if Darcy discovers the devient/x-gene.

 

[SunZoo]

This is the same reasoning i use.

but people are forgetting a very important point. Racism and discrimination are not derived from any logic. It's wholly ignorant. People don't need a good reason to be racist. They might just see the avengers as the one the "good ones" and that would be enough to justify the different treatment,
There are people in real life that hate black people but would faint if MJ walked into their living room. It just is what it is. People hate mutants and the Avengers are accepted despite their being no discernable difference.

Exactly, it largely comes down to PR, the Avengers, even with some of the backlash and hate they get, are seen as the government/public sanctioned good guys. And like I said....they largely don't have secret identiies, there is some transparency there.

If randoms start manifesting powers because of terrigen mist or the snap, however you want to trigger the potential, all hell is going to break loose. Even before Westview Wanda (who is a fukking mutant lol) was feared and imprisoned for what she's capable of.

 

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I just don't deem it nessecary to try and explain to the casual audience the nuances of mutation.

And ..... that is not what I said. I said that the marvel will distinguish mutants as a distinct separate group from thge others on the basis of a mutation that they have at birth.

You say they will not.

Ok.

I will prepare the L and serve it up when the time comes.



You cool with that?

 

[steadyrighteous]

The actress who plays Kamala is just likeable as hell.

How good is the show? I don't really know. But she's a star and worth watching it and future seasons for.

 

[Conz]

think Kamala is probably my favorite new hero of this phase. liked Yelena a lot. Red Guardian was cool. Shang-chi is cool. Kate is aight. Sylvie is aight. Jane was ok. America was ok. Who am I missing? oh yea, the 43 Eternals. Makkari was the best one, but she didn't get much burn.

 

[SunZoo]

And ..... that is not what I said. I said that the marvel will distinguish mutants as a distinct separate group from thge others on the basis of a mutation that they have at birth.

You say they will not.

Ok.

I will prepare the L and serve it up when the time comes.



You cool with that?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Goddamn I can't stand that cock blocking bytch ass Bruno.

Overall I think this is in my top 5 for this phase

 

[SunZoo]

The actress who plays Kamala is just likeable as hell.

How good is the show? I don't really know. But she's a star and worth watching it and future seasons for.

3rd best show on Disney+ behind Wandavision and Loki.

Honestly, Ms Marvel should be the standard for the shows going forward quality wise. Not everything is going be as unique or dynamic as WV or as sprawling as Loki. But when it comes to getting the character right and pace, this is a good pocket for Marvel to stay in.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Can someone spoil who the villain is, the tie in to the major MCU, and I guess why folks keep bringing up "that" Marvel team

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Yeah, I like this series 7/10. Kamala and her family are cool, you are rooting for them. And I liked the attraction yet conflict between Kamala and Kamron. MCU has yet to do that and it can make for interesting stories.
I did not like the 'mutation' twist after they been talking about the Bengal all series. And just for comic lore homage purposes her being the first MCU mutant is not cool either with me. They should have just done the Captain Marvel twist, that would be enough for buzz.
But the Muslim Pakistani culture stuff was awesome. And they didn't back down. A lot of Marvel haters are mad they are so woke. I am glad they are not paying them any mind and pushing forward with diversity. Stay mad bigots.

 

[patscorpio]

2 episodes in and i fukk with this show..surprisingly because i didnt have any high hopes for this mcu show based off that trailer