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cyclops isnt the malcolm x to his people. there are large contingencies of his people living in sewers because of their mutations that look like glob herman that he doesnt even acknowledge. when he splintered off on his own, he didnt take any greymalkin looking mutants for the ride, but goldballs was there. call me when he unites all mutants instead of the ones that can pass
What up Charles?:demonic:
 

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What up Charles?:demonic:

naw. charles wouldnt shyt on his boy like that. as bytchmade as he was and with all the shyt that went down with them, he still loved the kid. even then, he nor max could say shyt abput the morlocks since they did the exact same thing
 

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A lot of it is a generational thing, IMO. Wolverine in the Byrne/Claremont/Austin era and the Frank Miller miniseries >>>>>>>>> :ohlawd:
He was great back when he was written by the people that knew what they were doing. (To be fair, most of the X-men got pretty badly messed over by subpar writing at some point, especially Scott with the editorial mandates surrounding early X-factor)

The problem is when all the stans who grew up in love with Wolverine as kids got old enough to write comics. They didn't realize what made the character work. They made him a boring invincible hero who could regenerate from atoms (Piccolo status). They demystified and watered down the character by shoehorning him into every other marvel comic out there, and overusing him in the movies, cartoons, etc. Telling tons of stupid stories that don't need to be told about his past when he's really the Raphael of this whole X-men business.

The people that understood the character got that he worked initially because he was an enigma. He was a walking noodle incident, you weren't supposed to know everything about him.
Wolverine's healing factor had limits, his temper got his teammates in trouble as often as it helped them, and they wouldn't even show you what happened to his opponents half the time, but you still KNEW they got murked. He was a cosmic-level trash-talker but got served up with the quickness whenever he stepped out of bounds.
He functions best as a side character who occasionally gets his shine in the limelight.

Making him the leader makes no sense because we all like Logan for being brash, crude, rude, a lone wolf, and unwilling to play by the rules.
You can't be those things when you're responsible for everybody's lives.

EDIT: Example-- THIS is Wolverine. They don't show you exactly what he does in either scene, but you know those dudes got murked. It's like in the movies when you're actually MORE scared when they don't actually give you a good look at the monster that's chasing everybody. Your mind has a way of filling in the blanks with way nastier stuff.

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So when you finally see him ACTUALLY catching bodies at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, you know things are serious.

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Yep Wolverine before the 90's was one of the best and had a dope costume (that brown and tan:ohlawd:).
 

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Bros y'all remember that one batsman episode where he goes undercover at some slave work sure gets some grey hair and then he forgets his memory. I think Alfred had to come in and save him. That episode damaged me on a mental level :mjcry:
 

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People in here forgetting that Scott ain't special ? That he was the most unremarkable of the original 5? That he led children into a war getting a good number of them killed? Scott forgot the dream. Logan/James didn't. Cyke was suffering from an Identity crisis he don't know if he wants to be Malcom or Martin.

Oh and also Logan would give him that work in a 1 on 1. No powers . Read how shook he had that nikka in wolverine origins volume 3. :camby:
 

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Where people are fukking up is that in the comics Scott ain't been boyscout since 2004

He's actually had one of the best development arcs I've ever seen

Knowing mutants were on the edge of extinction Scott bossed up

Put the race on his back like Optimus Prime:wow:

Found out Charles BEEN on that fukk shyt and kicked him off his own team:banderas:

Made a new Xforce to take care of mutant threats permanently:demonic:

Got in Captain America face and told that man get the fukk off his island, while surrounded by Avengers:banderas:

Got Magneto down with the squad because real recognize real:wow:

Became Dark Phoenix:wow::wow::wow:

Is Malcolm X to his people:wow:

The list goes on:wow::wow::wow:
And got murdered by Doom.:camby: get this nikka outta here.
 
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