MJ vs Lebron: Accolades

[cornercommission2k12]

More like Jordan left some questions blank, but answered all of the hardest questions correctly, and the teacher decided not to penalize him for any of the questions he did get wrong (like how Jordan stans ignore 1995 and excuse everything that happened in Washington and before 91).

Making Jordan the goat is not some declaration of him never failing or not having blemishes. Personally Jordan is goat because of what he had to overcome. Thats speaking on the case for Jordan in hyperbole. But if we speaking on the ebbs and flows here,

Jordan had to over come more than LeBron
Jordan never failed as horribly as LeBron
Jordan won more than LeBron

LeBron stacked the decks and still got owned in series time and time again

If Jordan had players equivalent to Anthony Davis kyrie wade bosh etc he would have reigned terror on the league worst than he did.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

losing records in the Finals is why I can't even take the argument seriously. At least be .500 breh.

only thing I will give Bron is his Finals competition was harder than Mike's. But 2011 is a big stain. No excuse for that nonsense.

I can't even get with this. The only time Imo LeBron was clearly out matched in a finals was 2007 vs the Spurs. Any other match up LeBron led team had just as much talent as his opponent and it a few of those cases the LeBron led team had home court advantage. Jordan has never lost when his team was the favorite. LeBron has lost several series when his team was the favorite with home court advantage.

 

[fifth column]

Making Jordan the goat is not some declaration of him never failing or not having blemishes. Personally Jordan is goat because of what he had to overcome. Thats speaking on the case for Jordan in hyperbole. But if we speaking on the ebbs and flows here,

Jordan had to over come more than LeBron
Jordan never failed as horribly as LeBron
Jordan won more than LeBron

LeBron stacked the decks and still got owned in series time and time again

If Jordan had players equivalent to Anthony Davis kyrie wade bosh etc he would have reigned terror on the league worst than he did.

The problem with Bron is that he looked at what MJ did and try to microwave chips instead of just grinding through. Young Mike was getting clowned for being a one man show until he overcame the Badboys. Bron got a little bit pushed around by Boston and immediately got in traffic to Miami with his super friends.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Ultimately the argument between MJ and Bron will be peak (best version) vs longevity (length of greatness) and how you weigh them in the GOAT debate.

At Bron's peak he was better than any other player ever besides Peak Jordan and Peak Wilt.

But in terms of longevity he has passed both of them.

How you weigh that is up to you. I find that the Coli has a major bias for peak when evaluating players.

Since like '88, people had Kareem at no worse than third all time mainly on the strength of his longevity. Bron is surpassing even him now. That's why he can't be lower than #2 at this point, IMO

Peak shaq >> peak bron
Peak dream >> peak bron
Peak magic >> peak bron
Peak bird >> peak bron
Peak Cap >> peak bron

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Jordan won more championships with inferior talent(not multiple top 5 picks,all/nba all stars like lebron) & never had a ‘11 finals stage fright situation he’s the goat

Pippen was inferior? Rodman inferior… ok

 

[cobra]

Exactly, and Jordan’s test was much harder

Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, John Stockton
Magic with aids, Charles Barkley < KD, Giannis, Curry, Dirk, Tim Duncan

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Before the end of the season Lebron will be the only 36,000 - 10,000 - 10,000 player in history.

he brought titles to 3 different cities as the number one option.

the offense the bulls ran doesn’t even exist anymore. The games are different and so are the eras.

 

[Jplaya2023]

I can't even get with this. The only time Imo LeBron was clearly out matched in a finals was 2007 vs the Spurs. Any other match up LeBron led team had just as much talent as his opponent and it a few of those cases the LeBron led team had home court advantage. Jordan has never lost when his team was the favorite. LeBron has lost several series when his team was the favorite with home court advantage.

2007 2015 2018 finals i dont count against lebron. Between his teams overachieving 2007 and 2018 till injuries 2015 i dont knock him for that.

2011 i dock him twice for that

 

[Rekkapryde]

I can't even get with this. The only time Imo LeBron was clearly out matched in a finals was 2007 vs the Spurs. Any other match up LeBron led team had just as much talent as his opponent and it a few of those cases the LeBron led team had home court advantage. Jordan has never lost when his team was the favorite. LeBron has lost several series when his team was the favorite with home court advantage.

Nah, Mike never faced a championship or future championship team in any of his Finals appearances. Bulls were favored by Vegas to win each of their 6 titles in the 90s.

Bron did have the Spurs and Dubs to contend against. His teams were the favorite in only 3 of his Finals. (2011, 2014, 2020)

2011 i dock him twice for that

Agreed.

 

[god shamgod]

Pippen was inferior? Rodman inferior… ok

yea Scottie pippen was inferior to a dude who led the damn league in scoring along with 7/5 Rodman let me guess Rodman is better than prime Anthony Davis or Chris Bosh or Kevin love. Kyrie Irving scored 40 in a finals game averaged 27 ppg in the finals & hit the championship clinching shot. Pippen never did no shyt like that you delusional revisionists

 

[threattonature]

If Jordan adopted the mindset of LeBron where he didn't want to overcome competition simply stack the decks out talent the rest and and remove "we have enough" then Jordan would have had a unprecedented run on the league comparable to no one. Imagine if Jordan got in the back and recruited his boys barkley and Ewing to the bulls? Imagine if after Jordan lost to the magic in 95 he went and joined Hakeem in Houston? Instead Jordan continued to believe he had enough to win and only added basically journey men and guys half way out the league to the bulls roster and won 6 titles with that. Sorry Jordan is the goat

I'm not impressed with numbers in a nba2k league. Westbrook proves those numbers don't mean shyt. I'm sorry if we dealing in a hypothetical I'm taking a Jordan led team over a LeBron led team any day of the year. Hell I'm taking a bird, magic, kobe Duncan Shaq led team over a LeBron led team. That doesn't mean LeBron not a all time great but the very fact you all have to fight so hard to make that true proves he is not. Nobody had to fight to crown Jordan over his peers.

My thing too is that NBA fans ain't never used longevity to determine who's the GOAT. It's always been peak. Otherwise Karl Malone would be in everybody's top 5.

I can't even get with this. The only time Imo LeBron was clearly out matched in a finals was 2007 vs the Spurs. Any other match up LeBron led team had just as much talent as his opponent and it a few of those cases the LeBron led team had home court advantage. Jordan has never lost when his team was the favorite. LeBron has lost several series when his team was the favorite with home court advantage.

Even in that Spurs series two of those games was super close. If Lebron didn't have such a horrible series it could've been longer. But that was when his jumper was still garbage and he was more one-dimensional on offense.

 

[High quality poster]

Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, John Stockton
Magic with aids, Charles Barkley < KD, Giannis, Curry, Dirk, Tim Duncan

Such a corny argument. The guys Jordan played against were the best in the world at the time, by this argument in 20 years Lebrons accomplishments won’t mean anything either

 

[murksiderock]

Dumbest argument ever. And Russell accomplished more than Mike in less time so what does this mean?

Russell had his 7th title in Y8; took Mike until Y13 to get to 6. Russell won his 5th MVP in Y9; took Mike to Y13 to win his 5th. Russell is widely heralded as the greatest defensive player ever, in an era there was no such thing as DPOY. How many DPOYs do you think he would have won, hypothetically? Unquestionably more than the 1 that Mike won...

There was no FMVPs in Russell's day. How many would he won? Easily 5, and highly likely more than the 6 Mike won---->and Russell would have won those in less time than it took Mike to win 6...

The most illogical thing about Mike Stans is that they base his GOAT case as much off mythology and goalpost-moving as anything else. But watch a bunch of nikkas jump in here mad about how Russell did everything Mike did in shorter time hahaha...

Do I think this necessarily means Russell is historically greater than Mike? Of course not, there's nuance in all these subjective discussions. I think Russell's degree of success is because of the same thing as Mike's: right guy, right time, right era, right place. That level of achievement isn't happening again in a more advanced league, certainly not in the relatively short time frames they accomplished what they did. A bunch of circumstantial shyt lined up in their favors that just isn't allowable anymore...

@Juggalo Fred the only head on here who calls Russell the GOAT. None of you other nikkas do so yall can get the fukk on with who did what faster because Jordan doesn't win that contest either...

 

[OsO]

MJ performed best when it mattered most.

6-0, end of story.

 

[VegasCAC]

Peak shaq >> peak bron
Peak dream >> peak bron
Peak magic >> peak bron
Peak bird >> peak bron
Peak Cap >> peak bron

You’re tweaking

I can't even get with this. The only time Imo LeBron was clearly out matched in a finals was 2007 vs the Spurs. Any other match up LeBron led team had just as much talent as his opponent and it a few of those cases the LeBron led team had home court advantage. Jordan has never lost when his team was the favorite. LeBron has lost several series when his team was the favorite with home court advantage.

This is insane. His team talent was totally outmatched in 15 (injuries), 17 and 18 (against the GOAT team ever). There’s an argument for 14 as well based on Wade’s health

The revisionist history is astounding