Millenial men from 25-34 are less likely to work than before.

[tocedaw]

Most jobs are low skilled. If you're not in STEM your job could likely be done by a teenager as long as they receive equivalent training. They need to remove a lot of these degree requirements for entry level office positions. You're getting trained from the ground up in these companies/agencies. From corporate/office culture, to processes to systems. What purpose does your degree serve? Proof that you owe a lot of money? Proof that you "accomplished something?" What tangible does that have in the workforce? We've all accomplished something. If that's the best reason an employer can provide for a degree requirement the position is low skilled. But instead of advocating for these artificial barriers to be removed people are saying, "Just go work at McDonald's." I understand that a lot of people who sunk time and money into school to obtain degrees do not want to see these requirements rolled back because hey, they did it, everyone else should too but if we're thinking logically here the train came off the rails a long time ago and this shyt is being used as a barrier and not a measure of merit, like credit checks for employment.

Thats actually a decent point, I dont think its a bad idea for jobs to reevaluate their requirements, to check for inefficiencies. I never said the opposite.

I was just pointing out that the kind of guy they were talking about in that article, is chosing unemployment over misery, frustration, or anything else he wouldve faced had he taken a low skilled job. By low skilled I mean no degree requirements, btw.

And thats fine, but its still a choice.

Degrees in America are overvalued, and lack substance a lot of the time. But either be apart the change, or a player in the game.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

People will blame feminism and female "success" out of resentment b/c there is a myth that women are doing better than men.

Women have been afforded greater economic opportunities than women had in the past and they are hungry for that b/c our grandmothers and moms beat into us to never be at the mercy of a man.
People seem to think that shyt was sweet for women back in the "good ole days".

But bussin out 9-12 kids for a dude you might not even want in a society where it was passable for said husband to cheat on you and beat ur ass every now and again with no economic recourse was not the move.

Subsequent generations of women used college education as a pathway to greater economic independence to allow themselves better options. It doesn't mean that they didn't want families or marriage or men. It means that they didn't want to be funneled into barefoot and pregnant days of yesteryear.

The problem with men is that they interpret women not wanting to put up with the bullshyt that used to be reality for majority of women, as women hating them or trying to surpass them.
It's ridiculous so let's address that resentment first.

As for why men aren't in the workforce anymore, education plays a large role in it. We had a paradigm shift from the elevation of trades to overemphasis on higher education and academia. This resulted in overemphasis on test-taking and formal general education while hands on fields and blue collar work were demonized. Well guess what, the majority of men have ALWAYS traditionally held blue collar jobs and a minority of men held jobs in academia. So when we as a society decided to devalue blue collar jobs, it's almost like we said "fukk men!"

Women were less impacted b/c they not going for those fields anyway.
The elimination of trades in our formal education system was one of the greatest mistakes and it was driven by wealthy big businesses who are associated with testing companies and publishing companies.

But instead of looking underneath the underneath, as per usual the rich pull the strings and distract our dumb asses with gender shyt while they continue to play us like ole school Nintendos.

"Deez bytches be takin da jobs! If dey get back in da kitchen then I can be da secretary..."

 

[Tetsuo]

And people apply for scholarships like it is a game as well, people are able to make like $50k a year just off of strategic application.

 

[litty]

In order to do this one has to create a spreadsheet with links to scholarships and the dates during which they will be available. Scholarships are generally found at any large corporation, honors society, or organization geared towards one's field of study.

I also recommend students do this for REUs (research opportunities available to ANY US CITIZEN IN COLLEGE) and for potential grad school applications.

 

[Reality]

An entry level engineering position at Boeing or one of the large defense contractors I can understand needing a degree and experience. SECRETARY I; no! Where is the experience supposed to come from if these companies require experience to even work in the mailroom? shyt is ridiculous. I see why people lie on their resumes and interviews. And once they get a position it puts into their mind that it's okay to lie and embellish to get ahead. These companies are creating corrupt individuals and cultures with the same tools that are supposed to weed them out.

This deserves its own thread. Three years ago I made ~$55K a year. Now I make ~$160K base and nearly $200k inclusive of bonuses. Done some questionable things along the way to make it happen, but it's all in the game. Stopped seeing my resume as a journalistic exercise and started seeing it as a marketing one. Stopped treating interviews like sworn testimony and started treating them like Trump speeches.

For better or for worse, people love to hear what they want to hear. I try to have integrity, but the corporate world just isn't structured to appreciate that.

Got fukked over twice in my $55K job trying to be a stand up guy and been in a survivor / "me first" mindset since (except when it comes to our people - but there aren't many of us in these spaces anyway). Once you make that switch and take the emotion out of it, you're golden. Downside is that it's difficult to turn off.

From another thread:

A lot of aint shyt people out there. Myself included sometimes. Run into us a few times in a row and that's what you get.

Hurt people hurt people.

Also, low key, our economy / society is set up in a way that rewards a kind of sociopathy. I have to schmooze / win over / "influence" people who went to Harvard / Stanford / Princeton, etc. damn near every day. What is it to get a chick who went to, say, a community college to think I'm a good guy catch who makes good bread and is a solid dude?

You don't try to sometimes, but it can become part of your thinking - every interaction is a means to an end. At some point, its harder to turn off than turn on.

It's why I refuse to date a woman with a "high powered" career. No way I'm getting involved with someone who thinks like I do but without that Y chromosome

 

[Wild self]

yeah most of the masculine jobs went the way of automation,alot of the feminine jobs are following...

everybody can't be a doctor or lawyer

Yeah, dont let these IT Cert dudes,tell you anything different. The economy benefits female in their desk jobs, doing nothing. Men have to go through hard labor or some Tony Stark genius level thinking to have a white collar job.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

This deserves its own thread. Three years ago I made ~$55K a year. Now I make ~$160K base and nearly $200k inclusive of bonuses. Done some questionable things along the way to make it happen, but it's all in the game. Stopped seeing my resume as a journalistic exercise and started seeing it as a marketing one. Stopped treating interviews like sworn testimony and started treating them like Trump speeches.

For better or for worse, people love to hear what they want to hear. I try to have integrity, but the corporate world just isn't structured to appreciate that.

Got fukked over twice in my $55K job trying to be a stand up guy and been in a survivor / "me first" mindset since (except when it comes to our people - but there aren't many of us in these spaces anyway). Once you make that switch and take the emotion out of it, you're golden. Downside is that it's difficult to turn off.

From another thread:

It makes sense. American business is crooked and degenerate. Why should we expect any sort of regard for honesty from these people? I think applicants being honest and forthcoming helps them whittle down the candidates. If you're honest you've likely talked yourself out of a job.

 

[Mr swag]

that 500,000 are people with felonies or are in jail

 

[Wild self]

Not shocked at all. Men tend to be define themselves by their ability to provide and what they do for a living. There definitely has been an exponential growth of broke ass nikkas. Maybe theyre trapping?

Broke dudes of Gen Y ans Gen Z are commonplace cause the job market post 2008 only benefit exceptional people

 

[Reality]

It makes sense. American business is crooked and degenerate. Why should we expect any sort of regard for honesty from these people? I think applicants being honest and forthcoming helps them whittle down the candidates. If you're honest you've likely talked yourself out of a job.

I had a manager, dude who's making like $300K and honestly gets paid at least 2x more than he would be if he were honest person, look me dead in the face after a presentation where I knew he completely fabricated something and say:

"Sometimes, Reality, you just have to make shyt up."

And he was dead serious.

Also, if it's not clear, another dimension of white privilege is how much bullshyt society will allow you to get away with. Could I get away with what this manager does without getting called on my shyt one day? Probably not. That's why black politicians get locked up left and right - only so long you can play a game that wasn't designed for you to win.

 

[Lord_nikon]

What flavour of men?

 

[Wild self]

No, this doesn't apply to black men at all. Especially from gen x to now.
"It's a she thing"
"Black women's empowerment"
"Black girls rock"
and about 90% of black media and most social programs...for y'all and only y'all. Stop trying to shoehorn us in with white men because you shook of them, that's WEAK, and y'all have marketed yourselves as SKROWNG for about 30 years now, so what is it?
Y'all "educated, but floating on credit" folks are TRULY naive and gassed off of your own fumes.
It's not an education issue, either. Look at the "degreez" y'all get.
Early child development?
Social work?
Psychology?
Nursing makes MONEY and requires a lot more schooling than you think. These women are NOT becoming nurses en masse or they wouldn't be living off VISA, they're getting any degree they can to say they have one. It is a status symbol a lot of the time.
WITH NO VALUE...outside of the value extracted from your finances to pay loans while you work at a call center with nikkas who have GEDs.
I've been seeing it for years. I've seen degrees posted on section 8 walls. Even when you fall off, the padding is there.
Society, schools, and the current education system are built to promote women, so men already in place (and their sons) will have NO competition, and a weak, pliable workforce that can be controlled more because they have children. Less likely to unionize, and when they do, those unions are usually corporate sponsored and defeat the purpose.
You want to maintain the matriarchy managed by white supremacy because Y'ALL can't function without that "padding"
Do you really know what "high spending power" and "most highly educated" MEANS?
Student loan debt and a propensity to live beyond ones means, fake wealth signaling.
It means you are FOOD to the financial industry like we are to the prison industrial complex.
Y'all so desperate for continued validation that you eat it up.
If this padding didn't exist, and you REALLY had to FIGHT FOR IT (like us), our population would be much smaller.
Stop acting like you doing something as a group. It's a lie.

 

[Trajan]

@Rarely-Wrong Liggins was spitting from the pulpit in this thread

 

[horizon]

They're working smarter

Or so they keep telling me

 

[Wild self]

They want you to have the equivalent of 25 years experience but be 25 years old and pay you 25k. If people sat back and really thought about how fukked up this country is and it's going to get much worse they'd be very angry. You're set up to fail in many cases but America is indoctrinated to blame the victim so the Government and business can pull baldfaced fukkery with almost no repercussions.

We need a French Revolution!