Millenial men from 25-34 are less likely to work than before.

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I guess this narrative won't get traction til it's happening to white men.

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The Jobless Rate for Young Black Men Is a National Disgrace | RealClearPolicy



All UBER/Lyft and "entrepreneurship" is, is a cover up for large unemployment rates.

Breh its been happening since the demise of rust belt cities.


this is a disaster waking fo happen. A bunch of broke idle minded young men can only lead to violence


It has been a disaster since the 1980s and with black men being the guinea pigs.
 

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Easily.

You require a bachelors degree for a job that barely needs a G.E.D.
Most of the workforce back then had 0 college experience and yet jobs got done.

Somehow now you need a degree to answer a phone?

Obviously there are some roles that require higher education, but for entry level positions its completely overvalued.



We both know most of these entry level IT jobs can be done with training and an A+ cert.

But these HR people can’t hire for shyt.





“I don’t know to use excel. They teach that in school right? What’s a macro? Ask him where dat comp sci degree at :mjgrin:
 

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No. Nein. Nyet. I want to know what jobs you're talking about. Middle to upper middle management positions or entry level to low level supervision? Maybe in a warehouse. But if you're a breh with no degree trying to get an entry level corporate job (let's say insurance adjuster which doesn't require any experience at the major providers) you're at a disadvantage. These offices aren't filled with women because men don't want 40-50k entry level gigs. This theory that men, especially black men, do not want to work and just give up after a few rejections is fukking infuriating. nikkas talk about grinding, finding a job is a grind. You all look at grinding as random hustles/generic miscellaneous hardwork with a wad of cash to show for it. More to it than that. Some people are out here grinding with nothing to show for it, they just have to keep going day to day until they do. Not every black man is asleep under some BBW chasing drug dealing and/or rapper dreams. It's rough as fukk out there.

i'm talking apples to apples for any open position. especially for the age range mentioned which are mostly single men or single women with children. you seem to think women have an advantage over men just for being women and you couldn't be more wrong.

it costs more to employ women. they're more likely to have dependents which drives up operating expenses because companies have to pay more in healthcare/benefits. they're more likely to use those benefits when they or their dependents get sick. they're more likely to take advantage of short term and long term disability for maternity leave or to take care of parents, siblings, etc. these are facts.

companies have more financial incentive to employ men. i have been a hiring mgr or worked with one at some point or another for several different companies and positions. other than warehousing jobs and jobs requiring cdl, etc, women applied for jobs at twice the rate of men for "office" related positions. i just didn't see the male applicants. and these jobs were posted from entry level up to senior mgmt positions.

the brehs that did come in for 2nd interviews were always less likely to accept starting to midrange salaries when an offer was made. i guess they were finding other opportunities, but fact remains it is still a male preferred market for the reasons mentioned.

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also to clarify, i don't see anyone insinuating brehs are lazy or don't want to work. i do believe as mentioned earlier brehs are more discouraged when their expectations aren't met. we all have been. but i have also seen many cases where brehs put their pride in their pocket and say i'm going to take advantage of every opportunity to get where i want to be. i've seen a lot of people achieve their goals or get closer to where they want to be with that mentality.
 
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You don't even see the hiring manager now unless they want to bring you in for an interview. By design, of course. You can't have the wrong "type" making a good impression on old Bob who might give them a chance. Let the buzzwords, Susan and LaTasha in HR handle all of that.

Bigger companies yea, I usually meet HR first which has only started happening more and more as I try to climb.

I think that is mega dumb considering they have no idea what IT entails. :dwillhuh:
 

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When youre seeking employment, and you limit your options by not pursuing a degree or trade, and McDonalds is hiring, but its not "good" enough for you, you just chose unemployment.

Thats not the case for all 500000, obviously. But the majority of the article focused on that kind of demographic. A 24 - 35 year old male, little to no post HS education, unwilling to work low-skilled jobs.

Most jobs are low skilled. If you're not in STEM your job could likely be done by a teenager as long as they receive equivalent training. They need to remove a lot of these degree requirements for entry level office positions. You're getting trained from the ground up in these companies/agencies. From corporate/office culture, to processes to systems. What purpose does your degree serve? Proof that you owe a lot of money? Proof that you "accomplished something?" What tangible does that have in the workforce? We've all accomplished something. If that's the best reason an employer can provide for a degree requirement the position is low skilled. But instead of advocating for these artificial barriers to be removed people are saying, "Just go work at McDonald's." :mjlol: I understand that a lot of people who sunk time and money into school to obtain degrees do not want to see these requirements rolled back because hey, they did it, everyone else should too but if we're thinking logically here the train came off the rails a long time ago and this shyt is being used as a barrier and not a measure of merit, like credit checks for employment.
 

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other than warehousing jobs and jobs requiring cdl, etc, women applied for jobs at twice the rate of men for "office" related positions. i just didn't see the male applicants. and these jobs were posted from entry level up to senior mgmt positions.

Those jobs are more likely to hire felons or those with misdemeanors, also they don't require a degree. You can be disqualified from an office position for poor credit (a direct attack on black applicants in general), misdemeanors and felonies, and education (even if the position only requires a high school diploma, degrees are preferred in many cases even if they aren't relevant to the position). You might not see the applications because why apply if you don't meet the requirements? If a lot of degree requirements were rolled back you'd see an uptick in male applicants.
 

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Nurses are getting hit now with having to go back to school for another two years.

They want more nurses with a bachelors now.

I was advised to get an Associates degree in nursing because it was cheaper and you get paid the same. But that's a big lie, even 10 years ago I knew better. You get stuck when you get the bare minimum in relation to education.
 

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I was advised to get an Associates degree in nursing because it was cheaper and you get paid the same. But that's a big lie, even 10 years ago I knew better. You get stuck when you get the bare minimum in relation to education.

Nursing his a high skill career which until recently did not require a bachelor's degree. What has changed in the past 10 to 15 years that warrants this new education requirement? It sounds like a gift to nursing schools.
 

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I was advised to get an Associates degree in nursing because it was cheaper and you get paid the same. But that's a big lie, even 10 years ago I knew better. You get stuck when you get the bare minimum in relation to education.

People had to scramble to keep their jobs, that wasn’t right to do that :francis:
 

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Nursing his a high skill career which until recently did not require a bachelor's degree. What has changed in the past 10 to 15 years that warrants this new education requirement? It sounds like a gift to nursing schools.

Even though they work nurses to death, hospitals are getting a very high influx of nurses all the time.

It’s to weed out “underachievers” and hire better talent.

Smart ones just work at a two star hospital then go for a magnet.
 

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People had to scramble to keep their jobs, that wasn’t right to do that :francis:

Nursing (I'm not talking CNA/LPN either) was a pretty lucrative field for black women. Still is to some extent. Requiring these nurses to take two additional years of courses costs them time and money. I'm sure there was a hope some of these black nurses wouldn't make it back with four year degrees in tow.
 

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Even though they work nurses to death, hospitals are getting a very high influx of nurses all the time.

It’s to weed out “underachievers” and hire better talent.

Smart ones just work at a two star hospital then go for a magnet.

These corporations are always looking for ways to weed out malcontents, layabouts and other undesirables and it's usually those trustworthy, high credit score possessing, degree'd white men at the top making the policy that are the laziest, most corrupt and end up steering a company off a fukking cliff. Why is it so hard for corporations to go after identified problem employees instead of these stupid blanket changes to policy and requirement?
 

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Nurses are getting hit now with having to go back to school for another two years.

They want more nurses with a bachelors now.
All of the nurses I know what to be a Nurse Practitioner — no one wants to pass meds anymore. I find it funny. Give me my 30 patients and my med cart. I guarantee you those over educated mothafukkas cant do a med pass, or do a head to toe assessment without their phone/template.
 

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Nursing his a high skill career which until recently did not require a bachelor's degree. What has changed in the past 10 to 15 years that warrants this new education requirement? It sounds like a gift to nursing schools.

Nursing is always changing and evolving...that's healthcare in a nutshell. As healthcare advances and nursing roles and responsibilities evolve so do the requirements. There are subjects required in bachelor programs that are not taught in associate programs. I can say that what nurses do today is totally different from what nurses were doing in the 80's and 90's. You have nurses today giving medications to patients and doing procedures at the bedside that were only done by doctors back in the day. The hospitals are the ones enforcing the higher level of education to a degree.

I can see in the future that having a bachelor's won't be enough either. If you want to advance past bedside nursing and go into admin, research, management, or education...a bachelor's degree is no longer enough...you now need a Master's and sometimes even a doctorate in nursing to get those jobs.

I personally think it's partially driven by ego. By making registered nurses, at minimum, have to have a bachelors degree makes the profession feel more important and distinguished from other nursing professions (LPN, LVN, CNA). Also there are so many schools/institutions pumping out nurses every semester/quarter that cutting out associate degrees makes the selection process easier.

All of the nurses I know what to be a Nurse Practitioner — no one wants to pass meds anymore. I find it funny. Give me my 30 patients and my med cart. I guarantee you those over educated mothafukkas cant do a med pass, or do a head to toe assessment without their phone/template.

30 patients?? sounds like a nursing home. I don't envy anyone who has to work in that setting.
 
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