The whole Street life stuff has been around long before hip hop was even around. But People want to act like a genre of music caused the problem. Rap of the 90 got too much blame for commmuity issues.
Mike D of Beastie Boys: 2Pacs Quest for Authenticity Killed Him
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mortuus est
Veteran
imo i dont think pac had multiple personalities, he just seemed like one of those guys that were kool but get angry over the dumbest things, like theirs one video of him talking about black empowerment then the next minute hes saying fuk puffy lol, he believed the white man was the enemy and look who tried to kill him BLACKS then look at who killed him BLACKS when he was in jail he even said "i never thought my own kind would try and take me out" from that point he should of just been more humble and made his security more tight like the pope.
SleezyBigSlim
Banned
Will Ross is right though, rap music ain't changed nothing in the black community, drugs and poverty did. No one sells drugs because of rap music, they do it because they can't get a good as job. Poverty effects every culture, so does drugs and money. Those white people be merking each other left and right over that meth and that other bs they be doing. It's not even a black thing, it's a class thing. We can take away all the music and just have gospel and I guarantee you it wouldn't change a thing. The poor white people I know mentality is just the same as a nicca from the good, there ain't no difference. Before rap came along theyy blamed r&b, before r&b they blamed the blues. Every American generation has blamed a genre of music for the corruption of there youth, when in fact music ain't got shyt to do with it.
I think it goes back to the old argument on whether art imitates life or vice versa. An argument can be made that some of what was popular in Hip Hop during the 90's influenced kids negatively and promoted images of Black people in a way that confirmed certain stereotypes or even created some considering young, inexperienced, and naive whites. Still, I agree with you that there was too much blame placed on the music back then. It makes me want to ask people that blamed rap music back then what was the source of the problems before rap? Or before the crack era?
christinasade
Banned
Pac did die because of a quest for authenticity but not in the sense that he wanted to prove he was real. He wanted others to hold the same standards of keeping it real that he did, which were intuitively principled. The whole 2pac/Bad Boy beef really stems from Pac's speaking out against Black Mafia because he perceived them as being fake in a sense because they tried to extort fellow brothers and had snitches like Haitian Jack running with them. Pac spoke out on it, got shot for it, didn't have the people he was hanging with stick up for him in the matter and consequently spoke up about that.
This led to the beef which was carried over in his music and was the prime reason why he chose to sign with Death Row. Every beef he got into after that, no matter how silly some seemed, can be traced back to him making a judgment on who was keeping it real and who wasn't. Pac wanted everyone to act on the sense of honor and pride that he did. Of course, most people ain't shyt because morals come at a price and so he clashed with a lot of people.
This is also what ultimately led him to beat down Orlando, not because he wanted to belong in a gang or prove that he was real but because he felt he really was objectively right and justified in taking it to those who opposed him because he knew about himself that he wanted what is best for the community. Orlando was affiliated with Puffy's camp, so by default he was on the wrong side morally in Pac's mind. He always felt his heart was in the right place. So if people opposed him, it had to be something wrong with them and their motivation. If you listen to that last major interview, this attitude clearly shows.
Now of course Pac was naive in believing that he could get all people to be real just by trying to live according to certain principles himself in various situations. But at the same time, he was really doing a lot to try to keep that authenticity a part of hip hop. We have seen since his death what happens when people are not held to a certain standard of 'realness'. Hip hop has turned pathetic and is more than ever infested with people living fantasies who ain't about shyt. Hip hop is not about community anymore, it's about money. It's a business vehicle rather than a culture for a community now. Pac's death represents this shift and his beef with Bad Boy was at least partly a symbolic clash between these opposing forces (sense of community and honor versus indifferent, opportunistic money-making) acting on hip hop culture. We all know which force came to dominate unfortunately. We used to love her. Now we just love the memory of Pac.
what is 2pac's last interview?
Bboystyle
Bang Bang Packers gang!
And yet PAC went in there and beat one of the Hughes brothers ass. Oh the irony
And yet PAC went in there and beat one of the Hughes brothers ass. Oh the irony
True, very true, very ironic. Hilarious in hindsight, and I wouldn't doubt that Pac wouldn't have done it by himself considering he was dumping on undercover cops and what not. Still, can't make it like he did that work by himself when it came to Hughes. Seen that too many times where dudes I knew weren't that serious by themselves but let them get some people around them. That excess testosterone makes average dudes turn into He-Men.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...oot-from-their-gangsta-drama-classic-20130531
They talked about the altercation between Tupac and Hughes and the events that led up to it. Tupac was supposed to play Sharif, a college-bound good kid trapped in South Central LA (the part eventually went to Vonte Sweet). Tupac wanted a meatier role, but the Hughes brothers did not see it his way. Things later escalated on the set of a music video, when members of Tupac’s entourage were found beating up on Allen Hughes. As Turner remembers it, “As we started getting closer… Allen is on the ground or whatever, but it was like he was fighting like 30 people.”
Hughes has apparently forgiven the late rapper since the incident. “If ‘Pac had been in the movie he would’ve outshined everyone,” says Hughes. “It would’ve thrown the whole axis of the movie off if Tupac was in it, because he was bigger than the movie.” High praise indeed. The film definitely did not suffer from Tupac’s lack of involvement in the film, but it is one of those interesting casting “what-ifs” to consider next time you give the movie another spin.
Still, it's just too bad he didn't live long enough to see how stupid his actions were. It's nice that Hughes was able to let go of any justified resentment. Would have been nice if they could have made amends and then did some work together.
Dudes on here be talking about shyt like they were there face to face watching everything, this is ridiculous.
You people are a bunch of clowns exaggerating everything when you weren't even there in the first place, this is absurd and outright insulting.
You people are a bunch of clowns exaggerating everything when you weren't even there in the first place, this is absurd and outright insulting.
spliz
SplizThaDon
fukk this shyt man..all these faggits was quiet while he was alive...
The Hughes brothers are Frauds. Dude from American pimp exposed them.
infamousred
All Star
2pac wasn't going to win either way. Once he denounced thug life in vibe some east coasters shyt on him for it and said he got raped in jail. I can only imagine how much angrier that made him considering everything he had went through up to that point.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
what puzzles me about this thread is people are so obessed with defending pac they dont want to take in accounts and retrospectives from individuals who were not only around him but have the chance to reflect on what they thought. People are like "well why didnt marlon wayans say anything!!??" what is there to say or do? 20 years ago you think pac would have said "Marlon is right im gonna stop all this"
or how "oh fukk the beastie boys mike d is corny" people who were there, people who helped shape the genre people who were with pac, knew him etc are somehow not valid because they "throw dirt on his name"
i think alot people in this thread are not only corny as fukk but lack the ability to put aside their bias and take in an opinion or conclusion based on actual facts of the situation
or how "oh fukk the beastie boys mike d is corny" people who were there, people who helped shape the genre people who were with pac, knew him etc are somehow not valid because they "throw dirt on his name"
i think alot people in this thread are not only corny as fukk but lack the ability to put aside their bias and take in an opinion or conclusion based on actual facts of the situation