"Middle Class" Blacks in the United States

[Serious]

Are you black? nobody is going to tell you any of that stuff to your face.

Sure, Asians voted for Obama, but i'm sure that 75% of all Asians wouldn't be cool with Black son-in-law.


I've heard so many racist things about blacks in my life from Mexicans and whites. Extremely racist comments and remarks. Looking back on it, i'm like how can anyone say there is no racism in America?

I've got 1000s of stories of the things i've experienced.
I'm not making any of this shyt up at all.

Look man, no one is denying the racist sentiment that goes on daily. I'm saying you're using an inadequate generalization.

Last time I checked the "majority" of people of work in retail, tend not to be the most enlightened part of the population.

I used to work in retail myself. "Every" culture has their not so bright, group of embarrassing individuals.

Once again, I know blacks who are just as racist against other people who aren't black. They make jokes about every race just as well.

I know hispanics, who hate whites.

I know asians who hate whites.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Please directly quote from the article

There's no one quote to point out. But his whole stance is "I have'nt felt racism, and those that have feel a certain way about it" when he speaks on the racism he hasn't been a victim to, his attitude is that those that have feel angry and victimized by it.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The article's author must be Egyptian...cause he's living in Da Nile. ...

any how, Cornercom saying it best. Simply because you don't personally experience certain things doesn't mean they don't exist. The Author's...we'll call him...Tom... personal experience doesn't mean shyt outside of his own little world. Can't hate that he was able to dodge racism and kick it with cops like nothing but the fact of the matter is there are some shyt cops and even shyttier people out there.

Reminds me of a time when my wife got lost in central phoenix, she's from New Mexico. She pulled over to call me for directions and some pigs came up on her all crazy like while I was on the phone with her. We'd just got her a new Mustang at the time so they were "suspicious". 45 minutes later and after basically telling my wife she was a prostitute they finally let her go. Oh did I raise hell, the two cops wrote letters of apologies to her...3 months later and a shyt ton of me being pissed.

I personally can recount at least a dozen times being either pulled over, followed in stores or otherwise being the subject of racism.

Likewise, your wife's experience doesn't mean shyt statistically, just because it fits in with your predetermined conclusions on racial relations in America

As long as folks keep victimizing themselves and shutting out folks whose POVs don't bolster their predetermined narratives/ideas, no progress will be made. That people leapt to discredit + shame dude rather than actually look at what he said says more about them than dude

 

[boskey]

I understand that people have different experiences, but in writing this article he assumes that those of us that have felt racism, all feel a certain way about it, or react to it in a certain way. He's taking the most extreme of reactions and attributing it to all of us that disagree with him. Then he's downlaying the racism he has experienced, and speaking as if poor black people deserve the racist treatment they get.

True and that makes him come off as Tom-ish. He over represents the "angry" black sentiment to make his point that his life isn't angry. He also is drawing too thick of a line between middle-class black folks and the "other kind" I know from personal experience that the hood and the burbs really aren't that far apart.

It's fukked up cuz black people have to define our experience using the white terms that are always changing and have never helped. Middle Class, Suburban, Ghetto...its got nothing to do with how educated you are or how much money you earn and it all has to do with how white folks perceive you...look how they treat Michell Obama.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

True and that makes him come off as Tom-ish. He over represents the "angry" black sentiment to make his point that his life isn't angry. He also is drawing too thick of a line between middle-class black folks and the "other kind" I know from personal experience that the hood and the burbs really aren't that far apart

There's no one quote to point out. But his whole stance is "I have'nt felt racism, and those that have feel a certain way about it" when he speaks on the racism he hasn't been a victim to, his attitude is that those that have feel angry and victimized by it.

His article is a response to the book The Rage of a Privileged Class

 

[NYC Rebel]

Middle Class black people in my experience, are the angriest set of black people I know.

The biggest issues for them is that they see racism first hand in their strides for upward mobility the potential barriers to their success in terms of how they're viewed and treated differently.

I don't know how the author of that article can disregard the lack of management positions educated blacks fill in corporate America and not tie it to the "quiet" noise of institutional racism. He's so consumed by his own success, it erases any trans-personal awareness he should have for others. My wife is a CISO for a MAJOR company, and the stories she comes home telling me dealing with not only the "quiet" cism, but the favor many non-blacks with a lesser pedigree receive over her is outright hilarious.


One of her bosses is a brotha who worked for one of the past U.S. Presidents. He and my wife always speak about how they couldn't get away with the "talking loud and saying nothing" jibba jabba some of their non-black and obviously less educated co-workers receive on their way up the corporate ladder.

At the end of the day, this author is not in tune with the quiet cues of institutionalized racism while focused on the "ol school" made for TV racism which mostly affects the poor.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Likewise, your wife's experience doesn't mean shyt statistically, just because it fits in with your predetermined conclusions on racial relations in America

As long as folks keep victimizing themselves and shutting out folks whose POVs don't bolster their predetermined narratives/ideas, no progress will be made. That people leapt to discredit + shame dude rather than actually look at what he said says more about them than dude

it means situations like this guy says he never experienced do in fact exist that's wtf it means. I don't think anyone here would say there are people who DO NOT experience racism, but no one here mos def would say it doesn't exist because they didn't experience it themselves.

Statistically what's an acceptable level of racism to you?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

As long as folks keep victimizing themselves and shutting out folks whose POVs don't bolster their predetermined narratives/ideas, no progress will be made. That people leapt to discredit + shame dude rather than actually look at what he said says more about them than dude

That's just the problem. You and the author seem to equate recognizing racism. With black people "victimizing themselves".

Pointing out other people's ignorance isn't victimizing myself, understanding how to navigate a racist world isn't victimizing myself. People such as myself feel disdain for this type of dude cause he's quick to turn a blind eye at the racism he sees, yet he's quick to point the finger at people who react to the racism he just ignored.

 

[NYC Rebel]

That's just the problem. You and the author seem to equate recognizing racism. With black people "victimizing themselves".

Pointing out other people's ignorance isn't victimizing myself, understanding how to navigate a racist world isn't victimizing myself. People such as myself feel disdain for this type of dude cause he's quick to turn a blind eye at the racism he sees, yet he's quick to point the finger at people who react to the racism he just ignored.

I'm pretty sure that the author of that story doesn't even bat an eye if in a meeting, his associates would ask a white co worker first for their opinion over his, even if he's the most qualified.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

His article is a response to the book The Rage of a Privileged Class

I know what the article is in response to, but in this article he paints two sides of black people. Those who have experienced racism and those that haven't. Those that don't agree with him are portrayed as feeling angry and victimized.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Likewise, your wife's experience doesn't mean shyt statistically, just because it fits in with your predetermined conclusions on racial relations in America

As long as folks keep victimizing themselves and shutting out folks whose POVs don't bolster their predetermined narratives/ideas, no progress will be made. That people leapt to discredit + shame dude rather than actually look at what he said says more about them than dude

That dude's point of view is proven to be self centered, self absorbed and complete ass.

It's easily discredited when looking at the lives of middle class blacks as an aggregate.

 

[Serious]

I mean

How is someone supposed to get charged up about something they dont experience

If youve never been harassed by a cop, how angry can you really get about racial profiling

If youve never come face to face w/a David Duke disciple how angry can you be at white people

Then when a black person is downright racist, to the point that they are an inverted KKK member, you can't even have a diverging opinion w/o being written off as a c00n

One of the biggest problems in our community (and this country in general) is the inability to accept responsibility. Yes there are systematic failures but at the end of the day, if you are making bad choices or housing counterproductive attitudes you are the problem

This is honestly how I feel and I what I took away from the article.

Beside the injustice I see in the news and personal stories I come across, I can't really cry too much about the unfair treatment of blacks. I know it exist, and I come across subtle racism fairly often(daily) but just never had a "serious" incident happen to me.

With that said, institutionalized racism is alive and well.

Never understood this, and maybe we should make a thread on it. Why does everyone direct their anger at cops and not the nikkas in the neighborhood bringing heat???

This maybe a valid question, for a serious discussion....

 

[NYC Rebel]

This is honestly how I feel and I what I took away from the article.

Beside the injustice I see in the news and personal stories I come across, I can't really cry too much about the unfair treatment of blacks. I know it exist, and I come across subtle racism fairly often(daily) but just never had a "serious" incident happen to me.

With that said, institutionalized racism is alive and well.





This maybe a valid question, for a serious discussion....

That's the point. The author of the article used his personal experience to kill the idea that the practice is still alive, and those who speak on it are just angry and are victims.

The article is extremely self absorbed.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

That's just the problem. You and the author seem to equate recognizing racism. With black people "victimizing themselves".

Pointing out other people's ignorance isn't victimizing myself, understanding how to navigate a racist world isn't victimizing myself. People such as myself feel disdain for this type of dude cause he's quick to turn a blind eye at the racism he sees, yet he's quick to point the finger at people who react to the racism he just ignored.

No, thats not what I'm doing at all.

People like you are assuming you and he have the same experiences, but he chooses to downplay + ignore said experiences either to shyt on his own people or appease whitey. When in reality, just as the point of this whole article states repeatedly, all black folks don't share the same experiences, and said experiences are probably easier to classify + generalize on the basis of class than race

Where he + everyone else fail is in using personal anecdotes as basis for broad sweeping statements. Had he come out w/some statistical meat- correlations between class and police brutality, correlations between class and the quality of education, etc, that would have been a better approach. But I think its safe to say a black man living in Fort Greene today is much less likely to face any of the institutional racism one would face in Flatbush, or even Fort Green 10-20 years ago. Those differences run counter to the monolithic black experience folks us to rationalize their world views

For me the takeaway here is the glue of black empowerment can't be the pain of racism, because as dude stated its not as central or prevalent an issue for all black people as some would lead you to think. Someone who grew up in a middle class 2 parent home will most likely have a different experience + world view than someone growing up in a poor single parent home. So trying to bring together the two towards a common goal based on the perspective of only one doesn't make sense to me. It should really be about bolstering political and economic foundations and making our own, rather than waiting for the system that has screwed us over so many times to turn around, apologize and do right

it means situations like this guy says he never experienced do in fact exist that's wtf it means. I don't think anyone here would say there are people who DO NOT experience racism, but no one here mos def would say it doesn't exist because they didn't experience it themselves.

Statistically what's an acceptable level of racism to you?

Where did he say racism doesn't exist?

That dude's point of view is proven to be self centered, self absorbed and complete ass.

It's easily discredited when looking at the lives of middle class blacks as an aggregate.

What is this POV exactly, and how is his aggregation any more/less valid than yours?

 

[Serious]

@Serious


Unrelated, but when you say, "Caligula Swag" does that mean you're bisexual and fukked your sister's corpse?

Nah but this guy was truth. He was bout that life. Full fledged orgies...

Smashing guest wives during dinner, then later bragging about it.

Taking money from the elite and giving to the poor.

helped those who had been harmed by the Imperial tax system

Appointing his horse as head of council

Throwing rich people into ring to fight against lions...

Sending his army to the beach to pick up sea shells

Taking away privileges from the Senators.

I could go on and on, but this man was very based...