Melissa Harris-Perry Promo About Raising Children ‘Collectively’ Becomes News

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One of my conservative friends posted a rant about this on facebook and of course it's all this guy's fault :obama: and he also said it was something Hitler would say.

i love how everything relates to Nazi's and Hitler suddenly.
 

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BTW, didnt that pumpkin head Bill O'Reilly just get finished crying about how "united" America was in the '50s??? Perry suggests almost the exact same thing, and conservatives compare it to hitler. I dont know whats the bigger culprit here, racism or stupidity.

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The ironic thing about all this is that Conservatives have traditionally championed causes that can only be described as collective parenting- legislating morality by censoring things for all children under a certain age, campaigns and PSAs about negative music, movies, videogames, religious propaganda, waging "culture wars," complaining that secularization means "no holidays for the children," etc. One of the most common Conservative arguments against the mainstreaming of homosexuality and gay marriage is that "our kids shouldn't have to see that," as if they can speak for all parents.

Furthermore, old-fashioned American and most old world immigrant values encourage exactly this attitude- people's neighbors did and still do tell them about their own kids, discipline them, etc. But of course, this ad isn't referring to any of the above.

Hyping up this ad and twisting its message into some kind of hivemind propaganda or anti-individualist screed is ridiculous, though. The message should be agreeable to most. Hyperindividualist Margaret Thatcher-style "there is no society, only individuals and their families" attitudes are fundamentally wrong and negative. Some robust notion of community is important, and a general investment in the future, for the sake of each individual, necessarily involves including that notion of community, and therefore children in general, in it. Individualism quite literally ignores itself when it forgets community.

I want to see children in general succeed, not just the one who are related to me, and part of what her idea entails is creating a proper culture of parenthood in society that all families, especially those in the Black community, could benefit from- it's not actually at odds with Conservatism at all, unless you twist it far out of proportion.

No, that's only part of the picture. The other part, which itself contributes to that breakdown, is neoliberal economic policy that's based on a hyperindividualist notion of the citizen and an ignorance and demonization of any and all forms of collectivity that aren't "the market" (as if that's even really a collective endeavor in free market theory.) It destroyed everything that was good about the social programs and services in Black neighborhoods. That nonsense is precisely the problem.

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That's some cold blooded posting right there....... :whew:

The fact that anyone can vehemently disagre with this ideology when it comes to child rearing is flat out scary.....
 

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Who said that..I said collectivism of any sort especially in child rearing is a great idea in theory but im certain it will not work and will actually backfire



My question to you is are they getting a good education now?

You think it will get any better if it was socialized even more?

:beli: what do you mean in theory? in many ways we can look at tribal societies as collectively raised and thats literally as traditional/conservative as it gets.
 

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It isn't my job to raise somebody else's kid. It is the job of that kid's mother and father.

The reason society, especially in black inner cities, is crumbling is because of the breakdown of the traditional family. When 70% of baby births are illegitimate there is a huge problem. Left wingers would rather blame society instead of addressing the real problem which is so many fathers having no part in their lives of their children. Liberals hate the idea of personal responsibility.

the 'traditional black family' was steeped in community, you fukking jackass :wtb: or did you not know :leostare:
 

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the 'traditional black family' was steeped in community, you fukking jackass :wtb: or did you not know :leostare:


Of course he didn't know. His knowledge of the black community is steeped in the default narrative most bigots reach for.
 

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Parenting ain't everything, people. Some of you are really downplaying the impact one's outside environment has on them. Watch this video.

Steven Pinker - Parental Influence On Personality - YouTube

:wtb: when i looked at that study behaviour is narrowly defined as the personality differences that make each individual unique

You cant project this to mean that ALL behavior is not dependent on parenting

the kind of behavior that makes someone a productive civilized succesful human being DEPENDS MOSTLY ON PARENTING..period...theres tons of studies and empirical evidence all over

:mjpls: Look at how the products of neglectful single moms are tearing up Chicago then tell me parenting has little effect
 

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:beli: what do you mean in theory? in many ways we can look at tribal societies as collectively raised and thats literally as traditional/conservative as it gets.

:smugdraper: Exactly..look at my next post..the problem is we dont have that collectivist mindstate we never can have it..the only way collectivism would work is if we were all wiped out and someone taught it to the new generation
 

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Conservatism hasn't had a hit in modern history and fukkboys like @KingpinOG, @Hiphoplives4eva and all the people who tell them what to think know it. So anything they can latch on to to act like they are accomplishing anything is fair game, even if it means contradicting themselves regularly. Its the height of stupidity.
 
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