Max Kellerman compares Roy Jones to Floyd Mayweather

[shadowking]

So here you go.

If you'd like to try a debate with your new talking point you may use this opportunity now

Thank you!! This is what was needed...Floyd did fight everyone coming up and it's true. Also I remember ppl calling SRL a ducker also...

 

[David_TheMan]

That you have casuals coming into this thread and trying to shyt on Roy while showing they have no fukking clue about the history of boxing to big up Mayweather, who no one is shytting on, is disgusting.

Glad this connor shyt is over so these causals will move on to whatever new shyt catches their attention.

 

[julesocean]

There was a time when he was seen as "second to only Roy Jones"

and I understand that - Roy Jones Jr. had exciting displays inside the ring that made him perfect for what HBO thinks you want.

Keep in mind HBO is the network where the execs cringe when Rigondeaux's name is mentioned because he's too "technical to be exciting for boxing fans" . . They cared about ratings. Not boxing.

So putting him in with people who weren't worthy of being in the ring with him was of no matter because with Roy Jones it was all about watching his performance - the excitement of his performance. His audience left the door open for someone like Hakeem to rise to a semblance of prominence among a overlapping audience who saw his performances on the undercards

Mayweather has fought a solid contenders the whole way up

If it weren't so sad it would be almost funny how quick people will forget reality once the old guard of media shove a narrative down their throat.

There was a time when people wanted Ricky Hatton vs. Mayweather more than any other fight. Them putting their undefeated records on the line was seen at the biggest match boxing had to offer

There was a time when people wanted Cotto vs. Mayweather more than anything - Mayweather may of taken that later than ideal but he did it. He also stood toe to toe with Cotto and gave him the fight he wanted and beat him in his own game. Absolutely punished the man - he did that because of the level of respect he has for Cotto because Cotto also took the hard road up. He didn't build a name off of cherrypicking Mayweather's sloppy seconds with a more aggressive style to appease the casuals, while Arum was working hand-in-hand with ESPN to uphold his mainstream status as the commentators potshotted Mayweather at every opportunity

Oh, and guess what . . the sheep - even those who didn't watch more than a highlight of boxing every few months - would repeat "Mayweather is running, he's scared". All of this being done to leverage the market that the fighter represents

Nope, he respected Cotto. Cotto wasn't Bob Arum's key in the door to getting in on some of the Floyd action

Not only did Floyd beat Pacquiao in the ring but he beat Bob Arum at the table

AND THAT is why he considers himself TBE. If you look at their resumes just through the first 49 fights Mayweather has more names that ring a bell, and more names that will leave an enduring legacy of their own on his resume

Mayweather respects all his opponents, that's why he always big up them after the fight. The moment you stop giving full respect in the ring is the moment you get caught, and Floyd don't get caught. He doesn't care how or where you from, in the ring he give you 200 percent effort to make sure he beats you.

Floyd going toe to toe with Cotto was a mixture of 2 things:

1) This was his last exclusive fight on HBO, he wanted to drum up as much buzz as an exciting fighter to ensure his next payday would be as big as possible, which Showtime obliged. He was also coming off being persecuted for a "sucker punch" with Ortiz and feeling heavy pressure to stop wasting his time on fights that weren't Manny. (He claimed in post fight interviews that he wanted to give the fans one good fight in his career, but I think he was just sweet talking)

2) Roger had gotten in his ear that he needs to fight more offensively. Maybe also feeling the pressure, or thinking Floyd needed to make this adjustment in order to prepare for Manny. Mayweather took the most punishment of his career in this fight, he knew it, and he wasn't happy about it, as he wanted to continue and leave his career clear headed with all his faculties. He ultimately fired Roger and reunited with his daddy to get back on track.

Regardless he still won fighting a style that he doesn't excel at, and was smart enough to realize he needs to stick to his bread and butter. That is the skill, and more importantly the INTELLIGENCE that Floyd possesses.

Now onto quality of opponents Floyd fought, vs Roy, it's Roy hands down, he literally fought the best of his era in their primes, fought all the upcoming fighters with huge buzz. If we take a look at Mayweather's opponents since Oscar, we can categorize them in 4 sections for clarity.

Great fighters in their prime: Hatton
Great fighters past their prime: Oscar, Manny, Mosley, Marquez, Cotto
Young stars: Canelo
Good fighters but still a mockey of a matchup for someone like Mayweather: Berto, Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana

You don't really know boxing if you can't see the difference. And I still give Floyd so much credit for being a GOAT because I think he could have beat the best in their primes, but for whatever reason, contract or cherry picking, ended up facing the greats when they were too old, and subsequently "wasted" his own prime facing lackluster opponents in a number of fights.

 

[You Win Perfect]

Stupid comparison. Floyd never went up that far in weight and came back down.

And to be real about it, if Floyd keeps fighting until he's 45 (against actual boxers and not clown shows like we'll see next weekend), he's gonna end up getting that same treatment everybody else got. Father Time is undefeated for a reason.

roy my dude and all too but

 

[mamba]

Roy was a singular talent in his prime.

 

[Achille]

Damn RJJ was spot on how things would happen with May and Con.

 

[Methodical]

Roy was a freak of nature in his prime. Not that Roy was the superior boxer, but because his athletic ability was out of this world.

Roy Jones Jr. WAS an all-time great fighter. But there's a difference between "'All-time great" and "The Best Ever." Roy Jones Jr's game has Always had very very small fundamental weaknesses that could only be exploited by fighters on a certain level. Floyd Mayweather's game has zero weakness and that's why he was able to fight top tier opponents to age 40 with zero losses.

 

[NormanConnors]

Cats in here discrediting two goat level talents. Roy didnt duck anybody, cats like Calzaghe were ducking him, and Roy wasn't about to go overseas and get robbed aside from the fact he was the biggest draw. B Hop priced himself out of a rematch knowing he would lose and waited until Roy was washed, same with Joe (who would've lost by KO had Roy fully turned that punch over that dropped him). Tarver was running his mouth for years so Roy went down to handle him and ran it back when he didn t have to imo. The only things I would have liked to have seen additionally during Roys career was a fight with G-Man and a run back with Toney at maybe light heavy or cruiser. It wasn't Roy's fault neither aspect happened.

Floyd didn t duck anyone either. Sons best weight was 130-135 ish. He fought everyone there, dominated the goliath Corrales, fought Castillo with one arm/ran it back once healthy for the doubters. They tried to get a more dangerous version of Cotto imo at 140 but Cotto's camp said he wasn't ready. A younger Shane had a toothache. Hatton was handled. Breh went up in weight to face a still dangerous Oscar. We all know about the Pacman/arum BS. The one guy/fight folks were saying could give Floyd trouble stylistically (Zab) was made. Breh fought Canello (now a debatable lb 4 lb) at a weight 20 lbs or so heavier than what he debuted at, and dominated at 37.

Both guys catch a ton of unnecassary flack imo

 

[MJ Truth]

Imo Floyd has one of the weakest resumes I have ever seen.

How the hell could you say this, from an unbiased perspective?

Floyd has a resume filled with Hall of Famers - hell, he even fought a future UFC Hall of Famer.

The only thing people can accuse Floyd of is picking and choosing very carefully who he fought and when, but he earned that right by becoming such a superstar in the sport.

 

[Pimp]

How the hell could you say this, from an unbiased perspective?

Floyd has a resume filled with Hall of Famers - hell, he even fought a future UFC Hall of Famer.

The only thing people can accuse Floyd of is picking and choosing very carefully who he fought and when, but he earned that right by becoming such a superstar in the sport.

Who are these hall of famers and at what point did he fight them? Floyd fought big name bums..

 

[MrWestGrand]

Is this a fair shake?



Did Roy Jones ever have the level of competition that Floyd Mayweather did? I'm going to say no.


I still remember my face the day that Bruce Seldon came back for his first fight since the first round KO from Tyson . . . the night that Antonio Tarver knocked out Roy Jones Jr.

Roy Jones Jr. was 49-1 before that night . . . with that 1 being a disqualification in a fight that he was winning by considerable margin

Kellerman has always been a Roy Stan.

The thing that really bothers me with boxing and sports media is they cant properly acknowledge Floyds accomplishments, without trying to find someway to detract from his success.

Dude took boxing to levels never seem, yet they claim its dying because he's the top dog.

Such a disingenuous position.

 

[MrWestGrand]

How the hell could you say this, from an unbiased perspective?

Floyd has a resume filled with Hall of Famers - hell, he even fought a future UFC Hall of Famer.

The only thing people can accuse Floyd of is picking and choosing very carefully who he fought and when, but he earned that right by becoming such a superstar in the sport.

Every fighter picked and chose, including a Oscar.

Floyd fought guys coming off big wins, or win streaks outside of Judah.

He didn't rally duck anyone,

 

[GunRanger]

The only time floyd turned downa fight with big money was margarito, for 8mill, and he did so because it onlu came with an extension with top rank. He was never going to do that

 

[David_TheMan]

The only time floyd turned downa fight with big money was margarito, for 8mill, and he did so because it onlu came with an extension with top rank. He was never going to do that

Only haters were knocing Floyd for turning down the Margo fight. Yeah he turned down margo to movue up to 154 and fight Oscar.
I would say a shot Oscar at 154 is better than a prime Margo at 147.

 

[Shorty K]

Cats in here discrediting two goat level talents. Roy didnt duck anybody, cats like Calzaghe were ducking him, and Roy wasn't about to go overseas and get robbed aside from the fact he was the biggest draw. B Hop priced himself out of a rematch knowing he would lose and waited until Roy was washed, same with Joe (who would've lost by KO had Roy fully turned that punch over that dropped him). Tarver was running his mouth for years so Roy went down to handle him and ran it back when he didn t have to imo. The only things I would have liked to have seen additionally during Roys career was a fight with G-Man and a run back with Toney at maybe light heavy or cruiser. It wasn't Roy's fault neither aspect happened.

Floyd didn t duck anyone either. Sons best weight was 130-135 ish. He fought everyone there, dominated the goliath Corrales, fought Castillo with one arm/ran it back once healthy for the doubters. They tried to get a more dangerous version of Cotto imo at 140 but Cotto's camp said he wasn't ready. A younger Shane had a toothache. Hatton was handled. Breh went up in weight to face a still dangerous Oscar. We all know about the Pacman/arum BS. The one guy/fight folks were saying could give Floyd trouble stylistically (Zab) was made. Breh fought Canello (now a debatable lb 4 lb) at a weight 20 lbs or so heavier than what he debuted at, and dominated at 37.

Both guys catch a ton of unnecassary flack imo

Bruh looking back, I really wish Roy woulda stayed at heavyweight ran it back with Toney after he gave Holyfield that work