Mathematics Is Not A Fact

ThatTruth777

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:laugh: nonetheless... this thread reminds me a story I read a while back The Purloined Letter by Edgar Allan Poe

"I dispute the availability, and thus the value, of that reason which is cultivated in any especial form other than the abstractly logical. I dispute, in particular, the reason educed by mathematical study. The mathematics are the science of form and quantity; mathematical reasoning is merely logic applied to observation upon form and quantity. The great error lies in supposing that even the truths of what is called pure algebra, are abstract or general truths. And this error is so egregious that I am confounded at the universality with which it has been received. Mathematical axioms are not axioms of general truth. What is true of relation --of form and quantity --is often grossly false in regard to morals, for example. In this latter science it is very usually untrue that the aggregated parts are equal to the whole. In chemistry also the axiom falls. In the consideration of motive it falls; for two motives, each of a given value, have not, necessarily, a value when united, equal to the sum of their values apart. There are numerous other mathematical truths which are only truths within the limits of relation. But the mathematician argues, from his finite truths, through habit, as if they were of an absolutely general applicability --as the world indeed imagines them to be. Bryant, in his very learned 'Mythology,' mentions an analogous source of error, when he says that 'although the Pagan fables are not believed, yet we forget ourselves continually, and make inferences from them as existing realities.' With the algebraists, however, who are Pagans themselves, the 'Pagan fables' are believed, and the inferences are made, not so much through lapse of memory, as through an unaccountable addling of the brains. In short, I never yet encountered the mere mathematician who could be trusted out of equal roots, or one who did not clandestinely hold it as a point of his faith that x squared + px was absolutely and unconditionally equal to q. Say to one of these gentlemen, by way of experiment, if you please, that you believe occasions may occur where x squared + px is not altogether equal to q, and, having made him understand what you mean, get out of his reach as speedily as convenient, for, beyond doubt, he will endeavor to knock you down.
 

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:wtf:

when have you ever observed 1+1= 3 in the real world.

Not a question of "world."

It's a question of what sort of numerical system you use.

Let's assume the number 2 didn't exit.

You'd have 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, and so on.

In that number system, 1+1 would have to be 3, and we would restart our base number after only 9 digits, not 10.

Computers, for example, count in binary, a system that only has two digits -- zero and one.

It all has its uses.
 

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While I agree their model of the atom could be different, their mathematics would have to be pretty similar if not the same. Math is just an extrapolation of the behavior of the universe, and that's gonna be the same no matter which planet you're from.

Exactly my point. I guess it came off wrong. But you are right in saying its just a language. My alien civilization might say 1+1=1h8283y :laugh:
Because this guy is saying math is "immanent."

"Immanence refers to philosophical and metaphysical theories of divine presence."

Immanence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Math has NOTHING to do with divinity. It is not a question of faith. It is a question of human logical propositions in the form of numbers.

I didnt get that from his post. But if thats what he is here trying to do then :scusthov:
 

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I understand what op is saying

I do not understand why a thread has to be made for something everyone knows
 

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Not a question of "world."

It's a question of what sort of numerical system you use.

Let's assume the number 2 didn't exit.

You'd have 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, and so on.

In that number system, 1+1 would have to be 3, and we would restart our base number after only 9 digits, not 10.

Computers, for example, count in binary, a system that only has two digits -- zero and one.

It all has its uses.


regardless of what the symbols represent 1+1=2 slang nor anyone who agrees with him can show when this is ever false.
 

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Not a question of "world."

It's a question of what sort of numerical system you use.

Let's assume the number 2 didn't exit.

You'd have 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, and so on.

In that number system, 1+1 would have to be 3, and we would restart our base number after only 9 digits, not 10.

Computers, for example, count in binary, a system that only has two digits -- zero and one.

It all has its uses.

It doesn't matter what base you use, the objective existence of the mathematical or numerical concept is still a fact.

It doesn't matter if I use 2 or 0010.

If there are two instances of matter, it doesn't matter if there isn't a conscious being anywhere on this universe, it wouldn't change the fact that there are two instances of matter.
 

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regardless of what the symbols represent 1+1=2 slang nor anyone who agrees with him can show when this is ever false.

It doesn't matter what base you use, the objective existence of the mathematical or numerical concept is still a fact.

It doesn't matter if I use 2 or 0010.

If there are two instances of matter, it doesn't matter if there isn't a conscious being anywhere on this universe, it wouldn't change the fact that there are two instances of matter.

I know, I'm just saying that you don't always have to tie 1+1=3 to the real world.

Mathematics is more so an expression of THOUGHTS about the world. Not something you always have to see.

But I agree that no matter what symbols you use, the thought of "1+1=2" is the same; two objects of the same kind make a duo.
 

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Everybody know 1 + 1 = 11 :ehh:

sad to think that most little kids think like this like

yeah this math is not so hard:smugfavre:

teacher is like:smh:

kid- :sadcam:

teacher - now let's talk about silent letters and how g words sound like j words:scheme:

kids:sadcam:
 

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Damn, ANOTHER alias?

Mowgli, Crackface, slang, Mr. Somebody, Slaimon, The Real...anymore that I'm missing?

:whoa::whoa::whoa:

Where is this assertion coming from?

And Slang's posting style is too different from Mowgli's. All of Mr. Somebowgliface's aliases share certain certain spelling, grammatical, and other idiosyncrasies. Slang is his Spliff Star... a hanger-on who actually buys into the insanity like those women who fall in love with serial killers in movies.
 
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