Math Hoffa cohost says if lyricism was the thing like back in the days Kendrick Lamar wouldn’t be up there like that .

[Mr. Jack Napier]

in this one instance, i agree with TT
@Mr. Jack Napier
@ThaBronxBully

Breh, I've been saying that about NLU. When it dropped, I thought it was buns, BUT it was a catchy song that had a ton of replay value. Same went for Back 2 Back.

And what the hell TT doing up there anyways

 

[Chip Skylark]

Ab Soul
Blu
Vince Staples
Aceyalone
Ras Kass
Kam
MC Juice
Boots Riley
L*Roneous
Abstract Rude
MC Jihad The Roughneck

I'm using the criteria "______ has lyrical performances that impressed me more than Kendrick's high points" and all of the above have at least one.

That being said that isn't a slight to Kendrick, if someone argued he's a top 10 west coast lyricist I'm not gonna act like he doesn't have an argument. The point is more so about certain individuals acting like the pedigree is lower when it isn't.

You’re on that list too! Drop Vince and add you. (Vince is amazing I just think you’re a better lyricist and rapper and he’s my favorite mainstream WC dude right now)

fukk that. I 100% get what you’re saying and agree.

 

[maxamusa]

once again, your comprehension is azz. I've made it clear that Group home is terrible. if you can't understand that from my post, you need to blame your parents for not sitting with you at nights after school for extra help cuz your teachers failed you. You're dumb ass shyt and it shows with each post. I blame myself for even responding to your posts. I was agreeing with you the entire time dumbazz. Damn you're stupid. shyt...

You literally making "yo momma" jokes in 2k24.



You got it grandpa.

 

[TripleAgent]

I just gave you real spit.....now Das EFX, Lost Boyz, and BCC aren't legends


Sniff n Wesson and buckshot are not good lyricists based off the coli's standards for this thread.

you're being obtuse. BCC were regular ass street rap at best backed by good production and flows. (minus ruck n rock like I stated)



The fact you even shooting Das EFX bail shows your bias alone. You can't even argue they were on some abstract Camp FLO shyt. lyrically that shyt is trash.


the production sold plus the ruff neck BK image. stop lying to yourself.

 

[Shadow King]

The idea that West Coast listeners have lower standards for West Coast lyricists than east coast listeners have for East Coast lyricists is what I'm talking about. That's essentially what the cohost said. He's also talking about younger generation's standards vs. older generation standards but it came across pretty clear that he was talking about coastal standards.

I can't strongly disagree with him. Great lyricists on your side existing doesn't mean the standard is exactly the same, especially for that older generation. Respecting and expecting are two different things.

The West respects elite lyricism but has generally been more embracing of the average and above average who are better at other aspects of rapping/song making, while the East emphasized technical elitism to get a platform and gave Rapper X the benefit of the doubt to prove or grow in those other aspects for (super)stardom.

But that's traditionally speaking. The game has changed and the South creating a unified field via Internet has lowered the bar overall, and if we consider cultural discussions and history, the West (and Midwest) is considered closer to the South anyway while the Northeast is viewed to be in its own literary and cultural bubble.

 

[maxamusa]

So BCC, lost Boyz, and Das EFX are dope lyricists?


breh I can name way more than 10 since u set that as the criteria....


you could probably count on 2 hands who are legit "lyricists" from that era.

 

[TripleAgent]

So BCC, lost Boyz, and Das EFX are dope lyricists?


breh I can name way more than 10 since u set that as the criteria....


you could probably count on 2 hands who are legit "lyricists" from that era.

That's not at all what you said originally.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

I can't strongly disagree with him. Great lyricists on your side existing doesn't mean the standard is exactly the same, especially for that older generation. Respecting and expecting are two different things.

The West respects elite lyricism but has generally been more embracing of the average and above average who are better at other aspects of rapping/song making, while the East emphasized technical elitism to get a platform and gave Rapper X the benefit of the doubt to prove or grow in those other aspects for (super)stardom.

But that's traditionally speaking. The game has changed and the South creating a unified field via Internet has lowered the bar overall, and if we consider cultural discussions and history, the West (and Midwest) is considered closer to the South anyway while the Northeast is viewed to be in its own literary and cultural bubble.

Naw can't agree with that and especially not about back in the day. The standards at actual cultural Hip Hop sites in the West Coast (Good Life Cafe in Crenshaw, Hiero Compound in East Oakland, Project Blowed in Leimert Park, etc.) where b-boys and etc. converged were so high that, quite often, visiting East Coast rappers who were "bigger" on paper couldn't really hang with the local talent.



Say what you will about Fat Joe being used as an example but he repped DITC at the time and DITC is clearly a respected NYC Hip Hop crew.

Now, obviously there are cultural Hip Hop sites in New York and etc. where the standard was just as high and equally led by folks who weren't necessarily the biggest on paper but were the most culturally respected. Point is, I reject the premise that the West Coast Hip Hop community didn't expect folks to come correct lyrically and technically, b-boys in the West Coast were not less on that time than anywhere in the East Coast.

 

[Shadow King]

Naw can't agree with that and especially not about back in the day. The standards at actual cultural Hip Hop sites in the West Coast (Good Life Cafe in Crenshaw, Hiero Compound in East Oakland, Project Blowed in Leimert Park, etc.) where b-boys and etc. converged were so high that, quite often, visiting East Coast rappers who were "bigger" on paper couldn't really hang with the local talent.



Say what you will about Fat Joe being used as an example but he repped DITC at the time and DITC is clearly a respected NYC Hip Hop crew.

Now, obviously there are cultural Hip Hop sites in New York and etc. where the standard was just as high and equally led by folks who weren't necessarily the biggest on paper but were the most culturally respected. Point is, I reject the premise that the West Coast Hip Hop community didn't expect folks to come correct lyrically and technically, b-boys in the West Coast were not less on that time than anywhere in the East Coast.

Fat Joe isn't a good example at all, DITC or not. His crew doesn't make him an elite lyricist.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree because that bigger on paper aspect is what I touched on already and somebody getting that Lyricist Lounge God badge over here was more likely to scale larger and get that "bigger in paper" status off that springboard.

 

[IVS]

Facts. Kendrick is actually a wack rapper. Lmfao. And a mediocre artist imo. Lmfao. All hype. I don't care about all the accolades or the cult that's formed around him.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Fat Joe isn't a good example at all, DITC or not. His crew doesn't make him an elite lyricist.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree because that bigger on paper aspect is what I touched on already and somebody getting that Lyricist Lounge God badge over here was more likely to scale larger and get that "bigger in paper" status off that springboard.

Wordsworth is probably one of the most culturally respected to come out of Lyricist Lounge and he clearly did not end up being bigger on paper. Some of them did (Mos, Talib, etc.) but that's not much different from what happened w/ Good Life Cafe/Project Blowed stamping artists like Murs, local radio shows like the Wakeup Show here in the Bay helping stamp artists like Crooked I and many other examples. Murs and Crooked were on folks radar up and down the Golden State when they dropped projects off the strength of their draw in the underground.



But yeah we can agree to disagree.

 

[TEH]

How is his opinion hate ?


To me Kendrick isn’t really a lyricist he’s never had a verse where I had to run it back cause it was crazy



Kendrick makes good music though puts thought in to the process and his concepts that’s something I could appreciate cause there’s more to rap than just wordplay

I’ve finally learned Kendrick’s music isn’t really “lyrical” or about lyrical skill. Despite what his stan’s try to sell

Dude is more like this generations 50cent than a nas or somebody like that.

He’s a hateful hoe

Just like Pac and Nas and Jay before him he’s deep in what he says not how many syllables and metaphors and alliterations and assonance, euphemisms, miracle, lyrical bullshyt noise he makes.

Even Eminem, Talib, Black Thought and MF Doom and Lupe are straightforward to the real crazy complex rap nerd bullshyt that is known as lyrical.

 

[Xecutioner]

Every time people say Kenny got bars I ask them to quote me something and it's nothing but crickets. He's an ok song writer, but Duckworth never made a verse that made people want to run it back.

Hart Part 6 is fire though.

 

[TheJet]