Mass shooting at Mandala Bay (Vegas) 61 dead, 500 + injured, deadliest shooting in American history
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mc_brew
#NotMyPresident
how will law abiding conservative white men defend themselves from roving gangs of savages hellbent on raping their women now.....?
5 months later after they were used in Vegas? Going after bump stocks because it's less controversial than any other type of gun-control legislation? In other words, doing the least to make it appear as if he is doing the most? All it took was teenagers to go after the GOP? ATF already said they can't do anything under the current law.
GnauzBookOfRhymes
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Oh this is going to be fukking delicious.
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
Haven't we gone through this before?
U.S. Justice Department considers possible 'bump stocks' ban
U.S. Justice Department considers possible 'bump stocks' ban
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Tuesday that it is considering a possible ban on certain bump stocks, the attachments that make semiautomatic rifles fire faster and were used in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history in Las Vegas in October.
This is just Trump passing this off to someone else.
Despite Internal Review, Justice Department Officials Say Congress Needs to Act on Bump Stocks
Despite Internal Review, Justice Department Officials Say Congress Needs to Act on Bump Stocks
WASHINGTON — Justice Department officials have indicated they do not believe the department can regulate the sale of gun bump stocks without congressional action, underscoring concern that an ongoing administrative review into that question is little more than an effort to slow-roll a politically divisive issue.
The Justice Department announced this month that it would review whether bump stocks — a firearm accessory that can turn a semiautomatic rifle into a full-fledged machine gun — are prohibited under a federal statute that outlaws fully-automatic weapons. The review was prompted by the October mass shooting in Las Vegas, where gunman Stephen Paddock outfitted semiautomatic weapons with bump stocks to kill 58 concertgoers on the strip.
But private and public comments from Justice Department officials following the October shooting suggest there is little appetite within the agency to regulate bump stocks, regardless of pressure from the Trump administration. Critics worry that whatever energy there is will fade over the holiday season.
Wyn Hornbuckle, a Justice Department spokesman, said “the attorney general has stated clearly that we will go through the regulatory process that is required by law to determine whether or not certain bump stock devices are covered by the prohibition on the possession of firearm parts used exclusively in converting a weapon into a machine gun.”
“We are committed to a deliberate and thorough review,” he added.
The A.T.F. referred all questions regarding the bump stock review to the Justice Department.
Thomas Brandon, the acting director of the A.T.F., told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month that it was a “possibility” that bump stocks could be considered as a restricted device under standing regulations that ban machine guns, and that the A.T.F. could regulate them without action from Congress.
“If that wasn’t a possibility at the end, we wouldn’t initiate this process,” Mr. Brandon said of the review.
But since the Las Vegas shooting, Mr. Brandon and other A.T.F. officials have indicated repeatedly — both publicly and in private — that they do not believe that possibility exists. Instead, they say, legislation from Congress will be required.
In the week following the shooting, Justice Department officials — including the head of the department’s Firearms and Ammunition Technology division — met behind closed doors with Senate Judiciary Committee staff to discuss bump stock devices. According to some who either attended the meeting or were briefed on it, the Justice Department officials said they would not be able to take devices off shelves without new legislation from Congress.
Sure is, the problem with it is, instead of understanding why it is the right thing to do, he will be looking for everybody to applaud him, and expects this move to get him through the news cycle, with absolutely no criticism from anybody, for anything. Watch, he will implode because he is not going to get the positive press from everyone he is looking for. Everything is about him. It’s look everybody is poor and hungry, and the king starts distributing everyone scraps, whatever the dogs leave in thier bowl. Why are you ingrates not taking to the streets to praise the king? Why arent there statues for the king? 1 out of 3 of you will not starve to death, why isn’t the king on level with god?
Poetical Poltergeist
Precise and cold hearted
TheDarceKnight
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Banning bump stocks?
I don't think it's a step in the wrong direction for sure.
I'm in a really weird spot on this, because I'm a liberal and I'm also a lifelong martial artist with a ton of firearm experience, as well as some armed security work, and most of the left has little to no clue about guns, how they work, how violence plays out, how gunfights or self defense situations play out, etc.
So a lot of people on the right mentally check out when the people on the left talk about things that aren't real, like "high capacity assault magazine clips", etc.
The weird thing about bump stocks is that they aren't that effective at killing lots of people. That may sound ridiculous because the Vegas shooter killed a ton of people with them. But ask any professional shooter, and they will tell you that he would've caused more mayhem and death if he had aimed and shot one shot at a time. Fully automatic gunfire is rarely used in military situations, and when it is it is as "suppressing fire" which basically keeps the enemy's heads down while your team advances position without as much fear of being fired upon. The best gunfighters in the world shoot one shot at a time and they laugh at gimmicky shyt like bump stocks.
This whole thing is tough. Most of the gun control measures suggested won't do much to genuinely help. But that being said I think it should be way more difficult than it is to procure firearms. I think it should be like getting a pilot's license, and I think you should have to qualify regularly to be able to keep it.
This is going to be a long and tough, drawn out conversation, and these mass shootings sadly aren't going to stop anytime soon. I don't like the idea of metal detectors and armed guards in schools, and it probably sounds batshyt crazy to anti-gunners, but speaking from someone with 20+ years in self defense, martial arts, firearms, and how mass shooters think, and how violent encounters play out...I honestly it's not a terrible idea at this point...at least as an interim option.
People on the left. If you want to win this conversation against the gun crowd, take an hour or two and try to learn more about firearms. You may have a dozen valid points but if you try to tell a pro-gunner that no one should be able to purchase a machine gun (not possible) then they're not going to listen to anything else you have to say. Go to a shooting range and shoot. Figure out how they work. Look into FBI stats on gun violence. Get your kids into martial arts. Teach them what to do in dangerous situations. Learn yourself first. I know guns are scary but it's knowledge for the debate, and it's going to make you better equipped to have these arguments.
Sam Harris probably has the views on gun control closest to mine:
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Almost 4 yrs later & the security video of this lunatic gettin valet carry 24 bags over a 4 day span. No mention of a hard drive on “Lies, Crimes & Video” on HLN. Do y’all still think its a conspiracy or just a deranged cac allowed to slip through?
The footage is wild!
The footage is wild!
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KANG LIFE
Just Cac privilegeAlmost 4 yrs later & the security video of this lunatic gettin valet carry 24 bags over a 4 day span. No mention of a hard drive on “Lies, Crimes & Video” on HLN. Do y’all still think its a conspiracy or just a deranged cac allowed to slip through?
The footage is wild!
they can go so many places, and do so many things unquestioned
*especially middle aged white men who seemingly have money.