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Mase Responds To Diddy's Grammy Speech(Ethers Him)
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Its one thing to beat somebody out of a deal. Like say you get a 30k car for 20k, bc the dealer needed to sell. That's a one time thing. If you found a desperate songwriter and he sold you A song for minimal points and the song ended up being a smash, that's one thing.
But Its different when you beat someone out of something by signingtthem into something that lasts for basically their entire life. Idh yall can excuse shady actions like that.
That's why reading is fundamental. People sign these long term contracts because on the surface level it looks lucrative. None of these people are dumb enough NOT to know how long they are in the contract for.
It's unfortunate and I feel for someone stuck in something they don't want to be in. At the same time, some of that accountability is theirs.
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The Joe Budden Podcast weighs in on Mase Vs. Diddy.
Over the weekend, many were left grappling with a disturbing open letter from Mase to Diddy. Essentially, the former Bad Boy lyricist called hypocrisy on Diddy's pledge for black ownership in music, detailing his own experience being signed in an unfair publishing deal. Given the increasing distrust of major labels and their practices, it wasn't surprising to see a debate on the topic explored. Naturally, the guys over at the Joe Budden Podcast had some interesting and engaging takes on the subject.
Mal gives a riveting rendition of Mase's open letter to Puffy, which details a two-million-dollar offer spurned by the Bad Boy CEO. After laughing that Mase is "snitching," Budden declares himself to be on Diddy's side. "Even if they did this correctly, how much publishing do you think he was giving Mase?" asks Joe. "If me and [Parks] do a song, before the song is released, we have to get on the phone and go back and forth about publishing. Who owns what percentage of what record. Those are the conversations that should be shared more."
Mal interjects that Mase wrote the majority of Puffy's music, but Joe feels that business is business. "Let's say that Mase at nineteen knew everything there was to know about publishing. He would have to have the conversation, the back and forth. If the conversation were to be hard, how much do you think he's coming away with...I'm Puff, coming off all these successful albums, and I have a sound and a formula and a look that's going to work. I also have the relationships, I have everything. With that said, yes you can rap but I'm going to come in there and construct everything with you and change your life."
"What happened here is wrong," he continues. "20k for fifty years, I don't know nothin' about that. But if everything happened correctly, I don't think Mase is walking away with a lot of his pub at all." After Parks maintains that he's on Mase's side, Budden interjects. "I think all of us with a heart will read this and say something isn't right. But whatever is done got done. We're in 2020 and let's assume the Harlem World publishing is worth what...I have it at eight figures, that's my guess. In 2020, you come to me and offer two mill for something worth eight-figures. How many people do you know today that's honoring that and giving it back?"
Mal feels that if someone did some "fukked up shyt back in the day," they should make it right when given the chance. "[He] still gave a new artist a shytty deal," says Mal. "Someone who didn't know about the industry. [He] took advantage of somebody. Even back then, [20 grand] was chump change compared to what they were selling. It was bullshyt money. Now you're at a point where you're going to stand on stage and speak this thing, which is dope, cool. But make shyt right with the artist you have wrong shyt with...The bottom line is, the deal happened over twenty years ago. We know what we know about business, Mase was nineteen back then, happy to make some money, be driving a nice car. Now, when you learn the business, it's like damn, you gave me a fukked up deal."
Joe claims that it's still going on, further Mal's point. "You can't preach this if we enslaving each other," he continues. "You speaking all this ownership this, ownership that but it's like, you still signing these young cats off the streets who don't know about the business, and ya'll raping them. Ya'll taking advantage. If it was a white label owner, we'd be going crazy." Check it out below, with the discussion sparking up around the seventy-minute mark.
Over the weekend, many were left grappling with a disturbing open letter from Mase to Diddy. Essentially, the former Bad Boy lyricist called hypocrisy on Diddy's pledge for black ownership in music, detailing his own experience being signed in an unfair publishing deal. Given the increasing distrust of major labels and their practices, it wasn't surprising to see a debate on the topic explored. Naturally, the guys over at the Joe Budden Podcast had some interesting and engaging takes on the subject.
Mal gives a riveting rendition of Mase's open letter to Puffy, which details a two-million-dollar offer spurned by the Bad Boy CEO. After laughing that Mase is "snitching," Budden declares himself to be on Diddy's side. "Even if they did this correctly, how much publishing do you think he was giving Mase?" asks Joe. "If me and [Parks] do a song, before the song is released, we have to get on the phone and go back and forth about publishing. Who owns what percentage of what record. Those are the conversations that should be shared more."
Mal interjects that Mase wrote the majority of Puffy's music, but Joe feels that business is business. "Let's say that Mase at nineteen knew everything there was to know about publishing. He would have to have the conversation, the back and forth. If the conversation were to be hard, how much do you think he's coming away with...I'm Puff, coming off all these successful albums, and I have a sound and a formula and a look that's going to work. I also have the relationships, I have everything. With that said, yes you can rap but I'm going to come in there and construct everything with you and change your life."
"What happened here is wrong," he continues. "20k for fifty years, I don't know nothin' about that. But if everything happened correctly, I don't think Mase is walking away with a lot of his pub at all." After Parks maintains that he's on Mase's side, Budden interjects. "I think all of us with a heart will read this and say something isn't right. But whatever is done got done. We're in 2020 and let's assume the Harlem World publishing is worth what...I have it at eight figures, that's my guess. In 2020, you come to me and offer two mill for something worth eight-figures. How many people do you know today that's honoring that and giving it back?"
Mal feels that if someone did some "fukked up shyt back in the day," they should make it right when given the chance. "[He] still gave a new artist a shytty deal," says Mal. "Someone who didn't know about the industry. [He] took advantage of somebody. Even back then, [20 grand] was chump change compared to what they were selling. It was bullshyt money. Now you're at a point where you're going to stand on stage and speak this thing, which is dope, cool. But make shyt right with the artist you have wrong shyt with...The bottom line is, the deal happened over twenty years ago. We know what we know about business, Mase was nineteen back then, happy to make some money, be driving a nice car. Now, when you learn the business, it's like damn, you gave me a fukked up deal."
Joe claims that it's still going on, further Mal's point. "You can't preach this if we enslaving each other," he continues. "You speaking all this ownership this, ownership that but it's like, you still signing these young cats off the streets who don't know about the business, and ya'll raping them. Ya'll taking advantage. If it was a white label owner, we'd be going crazy." Check it out below, with the discussion sparking up around the seventy-minute mark.
Not if Puff owes all the publishing lol
I don't call it shady business. It's actually standard business. Artists don't make money....hell, I read and seen a lot of interviews where execs said there's no money in being an artist, and artists have been getting jerked since the beginning of the music business. Now they are getting jerked through streaming & 360s.
I think the people have a bigger problem with Puff basically "fighting" as an artist, when he treats his artists much worse as an exec. Artists rarely learn the business, which is why they don't end up as successful on that end. So the argument really becomes Us vs Them...whereas you're one of them, and will always be one of them, but you try to portray being one of Us, to benefit you...
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