MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

[hex]

Yea I get there are homeless vets, but most of them have some form of PTSD or other mental illness that is preventing them from working. Sam seems to be a likeable guy with a lot of connections but above all else, he's a super hero. Its just odd to not take care of the people keeping your country safe from villains.

I agree with the social commentary, though. It was a good scene at its core.

I know a ton of vets that got fukked over in various ways. None have mental illness or PTSD.

Not saying the government never takes care of it's own but it's not a given.

PR campaigns online when it comes to fighting racism don't automatically work either. Mike Brown's killer got off, George Zimmerman got off. The public out cry isn't enough to get people to reverse on being racist. The media will lay out the facts regarding his work history and totally harp on him being a fugitive for a couple years and provide the racists cover.

There was obviously a racial component in that bank scene but Sam doesn't have to mention race at all. Dude is a (former) Avenger, that alone would be terrible publicity for that bank.

I mean....dude just came from a highly publicized press conference where he handed off Cap's shield to a museum. The optics of a bank turning him down for a loan the very next day would be a PR nightmare.

But like I said it's a scene focused on social commentary and not really meant to be a problem for the writers to "solve".

Fred.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I know a ton of vets that got fukked over in various ways. None have mental illness or PTSD.

Not saying the government never takes care of it's own but it's not a given.



There was obviously a racial component in that bank scene but Sam doesn't have to mention race at all. Dude is a (former) Avenger, that alone would be terrible publicity for that bank.

I mean....dude just came from a highly publicized press conference where he handed off Cap's shield to a museum. The optics of a bank turning him down for a loan the very next day would be a PR nightmare.

But like I said it's a scene focused on social commentary and not really meant to be a problem for the writers to "solve".

Fred.

Component? It was strictly about race and every negative stereotype that goes with it. The guy knows he's an Avenger, died and came back to life, and currently works for the government. Not good enough for him. What other reason than being Black could it be?
When the cops beat a murder case it's bad PR for our cops, institutions and America in general and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE.
Yeah, they can do a PR campaign against the bank and make it look bad, I'm saying there is no guarantee it would work.

 

[The axe murderer]

Component? It was strictly about race and every negative stereotype that goes with it. The guy knows he's an Avenger, died and came back to life, and currently works for the government. Not good enough for him. What other reason than being Black could it be?
When the cops beat a murder case it's bad PR for our cops, institutions and America in general and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE.
Yeah, they can do a PR campaign against the bank and make it look bad, I'm saying there is no guarantee it would work.

This. And I'm telling you right now that capitol attack is gonna be a slap on the wrist.
And watch the ultra cap come from it like they do cops

 

[BXKingPin82]

Component? It was strictly about race and every negative stereotype that goes with it. The guy knows he's an Avenger, died and came back to life, and currently works for the government. Not good enough for him. What other reason than being Black could it be?
When the cops beat a murder case it's bad PR for our cops, institutions and America in general and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE.
Yeah, they can do a PR campaign against the bank and make it look bad, I'm saying there is no guarantee it would work.

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Smh

 

[hex]

Component? It was strictly about race and every negative stereotype that goes with it. The guy knows he's an Avenger, died and came back to life, and currently works for the government. Not good enough for him. What other reason than being Black could it be?
When the cops beat a murder case it's bad PR for our cops, institutions and America in general and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE.
Yeah, they can do a PR campaign against the bank and make it look bad, I'm saying there is no guarantee it would work.

I'm saying Sam mentioning race would have less traction than him pointing out he's an actual super hero and can't get a loan. Regardless of how important race actually was, to the reasons he got refused.

And celebrities can make things happen that "regular" people can't. You get racially profiled, most likely a store isn't going to apologize.

Zendaya or Gabourey Sidibe gets racially profiled and there's a big ass press release and public apology. I remember Oprah got racially profiled in Chanel or some shyt and they immediately hit the when the story went public.

And a bank ain't police man. Why do you keep mentioning police and murder in relation to this situation?

Regardless, this is all a moot point because again, it's not a problem meant to be solved.

Fred.

 

[SunZoo]

LMAO

 

[SunZoo]

Okay time for me to start theorizing.


I think they will throw us a curveball and he will be a decent guy, but also a complete fraud abilitywise. he actually can't fight worth a damn, and is really just there for photo ops and media spins like PTO tour version of Cap but worse. He finally gets put in a real situation and gets exposed as an actor who can't fight.

Think about it, none of the teasers have shown in him do any action.


I think this because it seems too easy to have perfect all sorts of super soldier serums and they are already exploring that angle with the villians.
He's gonna be iron man 3 mandarin status. Forcing Falcon to take up the shield to save him and take up the mantel for real.

This sounds dope.

While I like the "Soldier Boy" where he's just a deranged supe with good PR sounds cool too but a little too easy.

 

[Child_Of_God]

 

[Norrin Radd]

Okay time for me to start theorizing.


I think they will throw us a curveball and he will be a decent guy, but also a complete fraud abilitywise. he actually can't fight worth a damn, and is really just there for photo ops and media spins like PTO tour version of Cap but worse. He finally gets put in a real situation and gets exposed as an actor who can't fight.

Think about it, none of the teasers have shown in him do any action.


I think this because it seems too easy to have perfect all sorts of super soldier serums and they are already exploring that angle with the villians.
He's gonna be iron man 3 mandarin status. Forcing Falcon to take up the shield to save him and take up the mantel for real.

Its funny cause Agents of SHIELD did this exact thing with their Cap stand-in too.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

25 "Falcon And The Winter Soldier" Details From Episode 1 That You Might've Missed The First Time Around

23. Okay, you've got to pause super fast, but in the end credits, you can see a reference to Madripoor, which is from the X-Men comics.

Madripoor is basically one of the main cities, and at one point, part of the city is taken over by Hydra.

Xmen confirmed brehs

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[The axe murderer]

25 "Falcon And The Winter Soldier" Details From Episode 1 That You Might've Missed The First Time Around

23. Okay, you've got to pause super fast, but in the end credits, you can see a reference to Madripoor, which is from the X-Men comics.

Xmen confirmed brehs

 

[Peter Popoff]

Falcon and winter soldier last episode spoiler.

 

[Jimmy the gent]

Watching this, it finally hit that Tony, Cap and Black Widow are gone . It didnt even hit in Spider Man Far From Home.

Also, this is Bucky's first real opportunity to be back in the world again. The attention to detail and continuity they gave in the first episode is

But the avengers of old are no more.

All this time, it only just hit me. Black Widow is gone too

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

You can literally save the whole fukkin planet and be worldly famous but u black and these cacs still gon be on that bullshyt

Dope scenes with Sam and the family.. loved those parts.

Falcon opening action scene was cool too