MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

[daemonova]

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[Starboy52]

Karli was all for that “Dying for the cause” shyt... until the time came. Then she became what she truly was: a scared, confused teenager, being comforted by the only person in the room to sit her down and her that she’s wrong, but willing to help her even as she’s drawing her last breath.

 

[Achille]

 

[nieman]

Of course he doesn't "get it". That's the entire point of his character having been made Captain America, to change the nature of the discussion so that people are inspired/led by the nose not to get it.

He does get it. He just has a different philosophy in dealing with the situation. Just like everyone IRL aren't "burn this ish down" some people take a more subtle approach. No one is wrong, people just fight the fight using different methods.

 

[MajesticLion]

He does get it. He just has a different philosophy in dealing with the situation. Just like everyone IRL aren't "burn this ish down" some people take a more subtle approach. No one is wrong, people just fight the fight using different methods.

I don't doubt the bolded.

My point will make people uncomfortable and that's fine, but there's no dancing around the facts here. All the take the high road while they go low, turn the other cheek talk is blatant equivocation and the result of literally breeding docility in people over generations. Again, the simplest of questions: is the approach being used now actually working...and who benefits from this approach that clearly is not working as people get murdered in the street without consequence, only to get feel-good pap shoved at them on tv by dressing up someone in a flag?


It is what it is. The questions remain to be answered.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I don't doubt the bolded.

My point will make people uncomfortable and that's fine, but there's no dancing around the facts here. All the take the high road while they go low, turn the other cheek talk is blatant equivocation and the result of literally breeding docility in people over generations. Again, the simplest of questions: is the approach being used now actually working...and who benefits from this approach that clearly is not working as people get murdered in the street without consequence, only to get feel-good pap shoved at them on tv by dressing up someone in a flag?


It is what it is. The questions remain to be answered.

It's not docility it's morality. We call white people devils for a reason and it's not because we want to use their tactics or be anything like them culturally.

 

[nieman]

I don't doubt the bolded.

My point will make people uncomfortable and that's fine, but there's no dancing around the facts here. All the take the high road while they go low, turn the other cheek talk is blatant equivocation and the result of literally breeding docility in people over generations. Again, the simplest of questions: is the approach being used now actually working...and who benefits from this approach that clearly is not working as people get murdered in the street without consequence, only to get feel-good pap shoved at them on tv by dressing up someone in a flag?


It is what it is. The questions remain to be answered.

You're giving an opinion through your perspective, not facts. And all of the other tactics have been used as well, to very little change. What approach is being used now? Because there's as much take it to the streets as there's always been, when there were riots over people being murdered in the streets in the 60's. Decades later and the only thing that has changed is the amount of people watching. There's no right way, because nothing works and everything works. In the end, no matter how much you disrupt the system, it ultimately steadies itself. There's the short term vs long-term discussion.

I think you'd love the Falcon Captain America comic though. It answers all of your questions. Falcon feels that from the status of Cap, he can make a real difference in the lives of the every man (black). On the streets, you have Rage fighting the system with force - the way he knows how. They have some serious discussions on the how. What he comes to find out is that the position itself is political, and being embedded in the political aspects of Cap hinders a lot of what he wants to do on the streets.

 

[MajesticLion]

It's not docility it's morality.

Whose?

We call white people devils for a reason and it's not because we want to use their tactics or be anything like them culturally.

Calling them a name does what, exactly?

Exactly.

You're giving an opinion through your perspective, not facts. And all of the other tactics have been used as well, to very little change. What approach is being used now? Because there's as much take it to the streets as there's always been, when there were riots over people being murdered in the streets in the 60's. Decades later and the only thing that has changed is the amount of people watching. There's no right way, because nothing works and everything works. In the end, no matter how much you disrupt the system, it ultimately steadies itself. There's the short term vs long-term discussion.

I think you'd love the Falcon Captain America comic though. It answers all of your questions. Falcon feels that from the status of Cap, he can make a real difference in the lives of the every man (black). On the streets, you have Rage fighting the system with force - the way he knows how. They have some serious discussions on the how. What he comes to find out is that the position itself is political, and being embedded in the political aspects of Cap hinders a lot of what he wants to do on the streets.

1. There is no one approach to a multifaceted problem, aside from a basic loyalty to see it through together no matter what approaches are employed
2. There has a to be balance, with hard + soft approaches and everything in between
3. The "morality" mentioned above is what drove a wedge in the loyalty needed to see it through, with soft vs hard side-eyeing each other
4. Leaders for both factions were all murdered equally anyway
5. Everybody simmered down, ignored the loyalty aspect and decided that money was the way out...and abandoned each other to their fates
6. They're still side-eyeing each other today


All facts, not opinion. An entire warrior class abandoned to incarceration, women - the backbone of any society - abandoned loyalty to go chase feminism/"independence"/money, everybody abandoned family structures, on and on and on.


And in keeping with the thread...that same "morality" lets a supposed national hero, a military vet, get denied a basic bank loan because...what?


I read the storyline you mentioned since the end of the show when someone recommended it. Rage as a character is just not a good fit to address that kind of story. Everything we're talking about has long since been better wrangled with in X-Men territory, to a much more natural-progression conclusion.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Whose?



Calling them a name does what, exactly?

Exactly.





1. There is no one approach to a multifaceted problem, aside from a basic loyalty to see it through together no matter what approaches are employed
2. There has a to be balance, with hard + soft approaches and everything in between
3. The "morality" mentioned above is what drove a wedge in the loyalty needed to see it through, with soft vs hard side-eyeing each other
4. Leaders for both factions were all murdered equally anyway
5. Everybody simmered down, ignored the loyalty aspect and decided that money was the way out...and abandoned each other to their fates
6. They're still side-eyeing each other today


All facts, not opinion. An entire warrior class abandoned to incarceration, women - the backbone of any society - abandoned loyalty to go chase feminism/"independence"/money, everybody abandoned family structures, on and on and on.


And in keeping with the thread...that same "morality" lets a supposed national hero, a military vet, get denied a basic bank loan because...what?


I read the storyline you mentioned since the end of the show when someone recommended it. Rage as a character is just not a good fit to address that kind of story. Everything we're talking about has long since been better wrangled with in X-Men territory, to a much more natural-progression conclusion.

1. Everyone's
2. It's not about calling them a name it's about not being like them and not being souless in the name of getting the upperhand.

Black people are religious generally speaking and believe there is a payoff for having morality.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Marvel been killing it with the Super hero costume game

 

[BXKingPin82]

Marvel been killing it with the Super hero costume game

I love how they suped up Steves suit every movie too!

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I love how they suped up Steves suit every movie too!

Yea..... Steve low key had some of the best suits in the CBM genre

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

seriously, does he get some kind of reparations?

If they make a season 2, we'll probably find out. He'll stick around. Something also has to be done about the fact that avengers aren't getting paid. Captain America ESPECIALLY should be on the payroll as a soldier.

With him being in the show there's pretty much a guarantee that he will save someone's life with a blood transfusion at some point.

 

[boriquaking]

Karli was all for that “Dying for the cause” shyt... until the time came. Then she became what she truly was: a scared, confused teenager, being comforted by the only person in the room to sit her down and her that she’s wrong, but willing to help her even as she’s drawing her last breath.

Sounds like so many kids these days