MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

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Right.
So, how could the accords restrict someone who is the director of a US government agency?
Also, Sam...a "free agent" who specifically refused to sign the accords is allowed to bring Bucky along for the ride and break people out of prison?

To operate as a superhero, you are under Gov't regulation...nothing else (how, why, where) matters. They're pretty much operating as special equipped mercs by the gov't/ The argument with the accords were that that's exactly what they'd become, instead of superheros operating as an independent unit as they feel fit. The accords were always about PR, and having weapons on standby. Of course, little ish they would never really pay attention to, but the bigger/political threats were where it counted. Besides, Sam's status on the accords clearly changed, or he has an understanding, or the accords are null and void. He'd not dead like Natasha & Vision, retired like Clint, gone like Cap, or fresh off his sentence chillin, like Lang. He's the last one. Sam being a FA is because there are no more Avengers, so he now only gets the gov't contracts...but can take/reject them as he pleases. Bucky is under gov't sanctioned pardon..he's technically on call as well. And there's no proof he broke anyone out.
 

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To operate as a superhero, you are under Gov't regulation...nothing else (how, why, where) matters. They're pretty much operating as special equipped mercs by the gov't/ The argument with the accords were that that's exactly what they'd become, instead of superheros operating as an independent unit as they feel fit. The accords were always about PR, and having weapons on standby. Of course, little ish they would never really pay attention to, but the bigger/political threats were where it counted. Besides, Sam's status on the accords clearly changed, or he has an understanding, or the accords are null and void. He'd not dead like Natasha & Vision, retired like Clint, gone like Cap, or fresh off his sentence chillin, like Lang. He's the last one. Sam being a FA is because there are no more Avengers, so he now only gets the gov't contracts...but can take/reject them as he pleases. Bucky is under gov't sanctioned pardon..he's technically on call as well. And there's no proof he broke anyone out.
My beef is more with Wandavision than this....but it did establish that the accords were still a thing.
And, Walker knows for a fact they broke Zemo out. His proof is that they're pal'ing around with him and protecting him.
The notion that they broke him out of maximum security prison, traveled the world with him, and then returned him to prison...all with no evidence they broke him out....is the sort of foolishness we have to expect from the MCU now, I guess.
 

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Anyway, dope finale if a bit predictable in terms of how everything was wrapped up. I like this more than "Wandavision" and, despite my complaints, I actually liked that show a lot.

Walker wasn't completely annoying for once, and I think I'll be able to enjoy him as U.S. Agent. He needs to lean into the unhinged thing he has going on.

Only minor complaint I have is I dunno how comfortable Isaiah would be with a statue and memorial to him in a museum, when he specifically told Sam he'd most likely be dead if his info got out. I half expected him to be mad over it but :yeshrug: I don't write the show so I guess he's ok with it.

If there's a season 2 it would be nice if they address it. Even if they (the government, or whoever) sends goons to kill Isaiah and he kills them. Just a scene like that would be cool to let the world at large know :ufdup:"don't fukk with me."

Fred.
 

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Why were the Wakandans trying to murder Walker in that one scene? They wanted Zemo arrested...he wanted Zemo arrested...and Sam and Bucky (who broke Zemo out of jail) were defending Zemo. So, the Wakandans immediately start trying to murder Walker with spears while Sam and Bucky laugh. Meanwhile...Zemo has a drink and fukks off with noone trying to stop him.


Regardless of the politics being right...there was a lot of nonsense in this show.

yeah, looking back. That was kinda absurd. :skip:
 

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Anyway, dope finale if a bit predictable in terms of how everything was wrapped up. I like this more than "Wandavision" and, despite my complaints, I actually liked that show a lot.

Walker wasn't completely annoying for once, and I think I'll be able to enjoy him as U.S. Agent. He needs to lean into the unhinged thing he has going on.

Only minor complaint I have is I dunno how comfortable Isaiah would be with a statue and memorial to him in a museum, when he specifically told Sam he'd most likely be dead if his info got out. I half expected him to be mad over it but :yeshrug: I don't write the show so I guess he's ok with it.

If there's a season 2 it would be nice if they address it. Even if they (the government, or whoever) sends goons to kill Isaiah and he kills them. Just a scene like that would be cool to let the world at large know :ufdup:"don't fukk with me."

Fred.
Or Elijah revealing his abilities and doing the deed:demonic:
 

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yeah, looking back. That was kinda absurd. :skip:

to Walker, America’s rule supersedes all, so he won’t let Zemo go with anyone else

to the Wakandans, it’s personal therefore their responsibility to see him properly arrested and jailed

so while Bucky and Sam broke him out, these people are playing tug of war over who he as a prisoner properly belongs to

I don’t think they were trying to murder walker so much as people on that level of power engage in intense sparring. That’s why Battlestar died, he wasn’t ready for that level of combat even though nobody is really going for the kill but more to stop/subdue

bucky and Sam couldn’t cross the tack without engaging themselves more in the conflict so Zemo has the free to walk
 
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