MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

[head shots101]

I hope brehs realize this is only a 6 episode series.


3 episodes left


They don't have time to drag out every single little detail.


I will say that even if you've watched every MCU project since 2008, it's hard to keep up with every Easter egg and clue that's tied to previous projects. And if you're not up on the comics, the x-men Easter eggs went way over your head.

Tell me the x men Easter eggs blood ....besides the Asian city in this ep

 

[Monoblock]

The guy in the photo was actually anthony Mackie

Respect Smiling Tiger.

Spoiler

 

[SunZoo]

I hope brehs realize this is only a 6 episode series.


3 episodes left


They don't have time to drag out every single little detail.


I will say that even if you've watched every MCU project since 2008, it's hard to keep up with every Easter egg and clue that's tied to previous projects. And if you're not up on the comics, the x-men Easter eggs went way over your head.

They should have done 8 ep's then. If you're gonna do it within a tight time frame the writing has to be just as tight.

The breakout was too quick for my liking, but zemo was fine to me

only thing that bothered me was Sam keeping his phone on and not spending enough time in Madrapoor

but I get it, this episode could of easily been 2 eps

I still feel like someone else was involved in Zemo's escape. Either they didn't mean to make it look that easy and just goof'd up or there is someone besides Bucky and Sam that wanted him out, someone like Ross.

The more I watch this show the more I'm staring to get hyped for Amor Wars.

 

[HiiiPower]

The more I watch this show the more I'm staring to get hyped for Amor Wars.

I seriously doubt it, but I can hope..

 

[SunZoo]

I seriously doubt it, but I can hope..

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Sam has to be getting the serum soon like episode 4 or 5 looking like John about to crack

 

[BillBanneker]

Dope episode, not sure if it's the best but it's by far the most interesting IMO at this point; with Zemo's background, the origins of the new SS serum, Power Broker.

So I guess the GRC is just kicking folks out of housing/jobs/etc when snapped folks come back (or vice versa?) and throwing them into camps Interesting to see where they go with the flag smashers since they made them sympathetic and now Karli is getting more extreme with the car bombs. There's gotta be more to them with the Power Broker since in Madripoor we how fast folks can put you on that john wick "ex-communicado" contract. Also Karli tried to call Dr Negal after stealing it.

Kinda surprised that Sam had no clue about Madripoor though, seems weird that especially an avenger on the run would have no idea about it. Zemo was trolling Sam and Bucky hard this episode.



This def reinforces my thinking that John has already taken some variant if now a full version of the Super Solider serum. Dude is already cracking mentally and the variant Dr Negal was working on doesn't alters people's physical appearance but I bet it can alter folks mentally (making people more extreme). I highly doubt that the CIA was working on the project and just forgot about it during the blip.


Something about Sharon seems offHer being a crime lord now. So team cap just forgot about her during the blip



Good to Bucky, cause Wakanda don't forget

 

[Emoryal]

2 things.



i. there were refilms and narrative changes - due to pandemic

ii. ep. 3 was a different writer to ep's. 1 and 2

Spoiler: ...

so given the above and the fact that John Wick director hreh is new to the TV genre and its constraints, it's no wonder it felt different and not as technically and narrative set within the established context and genre limitations.

also Spellman did a good job of keeping "heart" and "people" at the centre of the narrative and that is another thing that ep. 3 was lacking.

People really liked the first 2 eps that well? What was so good about them?

 

[hex]

The only thing we know about Zemo is that he was obsessed with getting revenge against the avengers, right? I'm pretty sure he even has a hatred for super soldiers which is why he killed the dude who made them in the first place. In fact him using Sam and Bucky to lead him to kill the other super soldiers is the most in character thing from Zemo isn't it? And how did you like the 1st two episode better? I'm really curious because if this show had ended on the first two eps I would have called this show trash. Beyond the first scene of course. Slow, no decent action, no discernable plot, over the top emotional stuff, over the top comedy, iffy cinematography. This episode had movie level cinematography, better action, a concise plot, reasonable internal struggle, ,better character development, better story progression, decent amount of comedy, and a much better cliffhanger. If we get 3 more episodes of this it would be fire to me. It's like a mini mission impossible with MCU characters. What was good about the first 2 episodes? What was actually going on was barely established. I didn't even know who the villain was.

Not following the logic here, at all.

The knocks you have against the first 2 eps are mostly....because, well, it's the first two eps. Why would everything (the plot, who the villain is, etc.) all be in the first 2 eps? How is "what was going on was barely established" a complaint when discussing the first two episodes?

The major difference between eps 1-2 vs 3 is potential. No we didn't know everything, but we didn't have to. It's the first 2 eps. We know more now....and the writing is shaky as hell.

As far as Zemo, he hates the Avengers because they killed his family in "AOU". There's an entire movie based on that. So him suddenly hating super soldiers more than the Avengers....is frankly retarded. Especially when he was using a super soldier (Bucky) to get revenge on the Avengers in the first place.

Matter of fact, you can disregard all that and just focus on this. Bucky and Falcon have zero reason to trust him. Let alone the optics of the successor of Captain America running around with a terrorist that bombed the god damned U.N., and killed King T'Chaka. Hell, never mind the optics of him being black while doing all this.

shyt is ridiculous.

Fred.

 

[hex]

I mentioned GOT earlier and how toward the end, they took really dumb routes to pretty natural conclusions. I can see how Ep 3 might have felt a little like that.

I wouldn't say it's exactly out of character for Zemo to be doing what he do. But they did gloss over the break out in several ways. The ONLY way I will back track on knocking it is if there was some additional support players who wanted him out besides Bucky and Sam.

I don't think his motivation (wanting to kill super soldiers) is out of character.

I'm talking about him saving Bucky and Sam by killing all those assassins....and pulling up in the car like to escort them to safety.

There's no reason for him to not just bounce in that scene, and let Bucky and Sam fend for themselves. They ain't cool with each other. And if he double crosses them at any point after this it's gonna seem kinda silly because he had ample opportunity, and didn't.

And as far as "GOT" I always refer to it as "seeing the writing". If it's glaringly obvious how the writers are connecting the dots to move the plot....9 times out of 10 it's probably bad writing.

Fred.

 

[loyola llothta]

Sam has to be getting the serum soon like episode 4 or 5 looking like John about to crack

He’s not getting the super soldier serum

 

[BXKingPin82]

He’s not getting the super soldier serum

But what if he does?

 

[O.Red]

yeah i agree I didn't like the phone call scene i think it was just lazy
but I think that this episode will age better as we watch the others

How was it lazy?

Based on some of the criticisms in here i think y'all are making a mistake by not watching this like you would Bad Boys, Lethal Weapon, or Rush Hour

They touch on serious themes but at its heart this show is a buddy cop action comedy

That phonecall scene and the I TOLD YOU TO GO LEFT argument during the shootout was straight outta some shyt like Bad Boys

 

[Trapperman Dave]

He’s not getting the super soldier serum

He has to aint no way he doing all that flipping and shyt without it

 

[Emoryal]

Not following the logic here, at all.

The knocks you have against the first 2 eps are mostly....because, well, it's the first two eps. Why would everything (the plot, who the villain is, etc.) all be in the first 2 eps? How is "what was going on was barely established" a complaint when discussing the first two episodes?

The major difference between eps 1-2 vs 3 is potential. No we didn't know everything, but we didn't have to. It's the first 2 eps. We know more now....and the writing is shaky as hell.

As far as Zemo, he hates the Avengers because they killed his family in "AOU". There's an entire movie based on that. So him suddenly hating super soldiers more than the Avengers....is frankly retarded. Especially when he was using a super soldier (Bucky) to get revenge on the Avengers in the first place.

Matter of fact, you can disregard all that and just focus on this. Bucky and Falcon have zero reason to trust him. Let alone the optics of the successor of Captain America running around with a terrorist that bombed the god damned U.N., and killed King T'Chaka. Hell, never mind the optics of him being black while doing all this.

shyt is ridiculous.

Fred.

I expect the first two episodes to at least clearly establish some plot going forward. They didn't. At all. That is the purpose of the first two eps and they were all over the place. Also I had other complaints as well. None of the Avengers in AOU are even here in the fist place. Also his hatred of Super Soldiers was established in Civil War. Bucky was a means to an end as he said. Also, when has Bucky cared about optics? Also, when have Bucky and Sam trusted him in so far as they HAVE TO?