Man tricks woman into abortion and now faces murder charges

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

scalleywag and vagabond

 

[Rawtid]

How is it murder? Is a fetus considered a living being?

And if so, is there a such thing as legalized murder because that's what abortion would be defined as if a fetus is a living being.

Keep in mind that the girl was only 6 weeks pregnant.

If the fetus was 4 or 5 months then I would lend some sympathy to your argument, albeit it wouldn't change my opinion on it.

Im not really interested in an abortion debate, but the logic behind the difference is as follows: the fetus is an extension of the woman who is carrying it, and if an outside party commits violence against said fetus, then the legal definition changes. Its explicit, not arbitrary. The woman controls the right to the life of the fetus, under the law for the first term.

Just like the woman loses the right to abort after the first term...the baby is still in the womb, but as a society of laws the definition of life changes, and there are now legal consequences to abort.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Im not really interested in an abortion debate, but the logic of behind the difference is as follows: the first term fetus is an extension of the woman who is carrying it, and if an outside party commits violence against said fetus, then the legal definition changes. Its explicit, not arbitrary. The woman controls the right to the life of the fetus, under the law. the first term...the baby is still in the womb, but as a society of laws the definition of life changes, and there are now legal consequences to abort.

This sir is not logic. It is redefining the stipulations to support what otherwise is a very flawed law.

 

[Sharp]

Kill a 5 month pregnant woman and the baby dies too and watch how they charge you for 2 murders.

Depends on your country and how far along the pregnant woman is.

Not all countries consider pregnancy to be considered life and charge the killer with the death of the baby. As per law, a baby is not viable til 22/24 weeks of pregnancy (5 1/2- 6 months), prior to this it cannot survive outside the mothers uterus, so without the mother it cannot live,if the mother dies, the baby dies. But after 22-24 weeks the baby has a minimal chance of survival without the mother but intensive medical help. Causing death to a baby after this time line should be considered murder. Abortions are usually only legal up to 12 weeks, maximum 16 weeks. Unless for a medical/life saving reason then later abortions/induced labours are allowed.

An adult is considered dead if no brainwaves/brain activity noted and life support is turned off.

A fetus/baby does not have brainwaves/brain activity until 12 weeks.

In Australia, if a pregnant woman was murdered, only her life would have the killer on charges, the baby would not be considered as murdered. It's in discussion and there is debates about this at the moment.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

This sir is not logic. It is redefining the stipulations to support what otherwise is a very flawed law.

Its logical....ur just choosing not to recognize the logic of the law because of ur own biases. Many would counter that its illogical to say that because women have the right to terminate a pregnancy in her own body during the first trimester, men should have the right to unilaterally end the life of the fetus inside the woman's body just the same.

Law is about redefinitions, and stipulations as u say. We know that there are different legal definitions when it comes to the taking of a life, ranging from justifiable homicide, to 1st degree. The end result is all the same --- a dead body, but we have different definitions.

I mean logically, is there any difference between having a .079 blood alcohol content, and a .08? Yet that threshold is the difference between a dui.

Laws are about protection of people, and this law is designed to prevent exactly what transpired in this case. Again, im not interested in an abortion as a legal right debate. Its the law, and arguing around your own personal set of moral leanings will lead nowhere.

 

[blackzeus]

Ironically my boy and I talked about the same thing this morning, giving bishes morning after pills crushed in OJ, but gonna stick with the condoms, I can't do life Ironically, as many have said, how can it be murder when abortion is condoned, unless you declare abortion as sanctioned murder?

 

[intruder]

Depends on your country and how far along the pregnant woman is.

Not all countries consider pregnancy to be considered life and charge the killer with the death of the baby. As per law, a baby is not viable til 22/24 weeks of pregnancy (5 1/2- 6 months), prior to this it cannot survive outside the mothers uterus, so without the mother it cannot live,if the mother dies, the baby dies. But after 22-24 weeks the baby has a minimal chance of survival without the mother but intensive medical help. Causing death to a baby after this time line should be considered murder. Abortions are usually only legal up to 12 weeks, maximum 16 weeks. Unless for a medical/life saving reason then later abortions/induced labours are allowed.

An adult is considered dead if no brainwaves/brain activity noted and life support is turned off.

A fetus/baby does not have brainwaves/brain activity until 12 weeks.

In Australia, if a pregnant woman was murdered, only her life would have the killer on charges, the baby would not be considered as murdered. It's in discussion and there is debates about this at the moment.

Well all I'm saying I support murder or at least aggravated assault charges in this case. It was not his sole decision to make and kill her unborn child.

 

[JasonSJackson]

so its considered a "fetus" or an "embryo" when its a legally administered abortion but when the abortion is illegal its a person.........

yea.....that makes sense

 

[Metta World Movement]

Shoulda just done it the old-fashioned way

 

[Steve Piffler]

*pours out Morning After Pill smoothie*


























































































sike...

drink up bytch....

 

[Sugar]

Im indifferent, yeah im indifferent.....




















































....pulluptothescenewithherfetusmissin!!!!

fukking dead

That shyt caught me off guard

 

[iamstr8fire]

Im indifferent, yeah im indifferent.....




















































....pulluptothescenewithherfetusmissin!!!!

POS Rep for genius level phuckery

 

[aqualung]

At this point I don't think giving her a flower will help; she's clearly mad beyond that.

Oops. "flour" not "flower"
Sorry.

There are diff types of murder: premeditated murder, depraved heart murder, felony murder, etc

Context matters.

--If you slap a plumber, it is assault, BUT IF YOU SLAP A COP, then it is aggravated assault.
--If you kill somebody driving carelessly, it might be manslaughter, BUT IF YOU KILL SOMEBODY DRIVING CARELESSLY TO ESCAPE THE PARKING LOT OF A BANK YOU JUST ROBBED (felony), then it is felony murder.
--Dude killed her fetus WHILE FORGING SIGNATURES AND OBTAINING FRAUDULENT PRESCRIPIONS (felony under federal law). Maybe state law would charge him with assault on the woman. I don't know. But fed prosecutors brought max charges.

The context matters.
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Each woman gets final say about abortion cuz it involves her own uterus. I can't dictate whether skeetsinternal gets a vasectomy. He can't force me to abort or not.

--> aq out <--

 

[Torrez]

Each woman gets final say about abortion cuz it involves her own uterus. I can't dictate whether skeetsinternal gets a vasectomy. He can't force me to abort or not.

--> aq out <--

Nope, when it comes to rape, if a women says no, then no, means no right. But when it comes to a women keeping a baby to rape my assets, if I say no that means yes? Hell no, no means no.

 

[ChiefQueen]

This is a solid case. He will get life in prison. No juror (female or male) will let him get off scott free. He knew what he was doing when he decided to have unprotected sex with the woman. Furthermore, he knew what he was doing when he bought those pills (he was on camera in the store buying them) and continued to lie to her about what said pills were. This is the definition of a premeditated crime. This dude will pay for this mark my words. And, even worse I think the state might go after his father and his medical license.