Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

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[ExodusNirvana]

I just want this to be over

 

[AntoineWalkerShimmy]

Besides Chicago, where else can Melo realistically land?

Houston and Miami are two teams I'd actually put ahead of Chicago.

1.) Miami (Lebron, Wade, Bosh opt out, everyone takes cheap deals. Don't say this isn't possible cause we've already seen this happen once and Miami gives him the best chance to win)
2.) Houston (dump Lin + Asik. Maybe Parsons too in a S&T for Melo)
3.) Chicago
4.) Wizards (dark horse, think they have the expiring contracts to do it.)

 

[Easy-E]

I know breh, I know .

But heads will roll for this in the offseason. CAA will no longer run our team. The days of younger brothers making the squad are over.

Ray Felton my cousin, doe

 

[I.V.]

Buy a pick in the 20's???

1) I hope you mean like 28/29, and even then buying into the first round is expensive/rare.




Buying the 20th pick in the NBA draft. Do you even know the financials and budget effect of doing that?

 

[Victim of Racism]

I don't even know where to start. First of all, your timing/accuracy/ball handling comment is pure fallacy. "Atrocious" the fukk are you talking about?
Next, you move the goalposts on your turnover comments... you criticize LeBron for having more turnovers than Melo, then criticize him for being the primary ball handler. Nah, he's getting 2-1 A/T% to Carmelo's 1-1. Don't glaze over numbers because they suit you. You say LeBron plays the point, but he doesn't, and then you're comparing him to point guards that have never had to carry the burden of being a team's Number 1 Scoring option. You can't come at me with that apples/oranges shyt.

"As somebody once said, let other people handle the ball as much as he does and they'll get that many assists" - Maybe? But they don't, because they can't. And those people definitely won't ALSO score 27 a game.


I have to stop you there, again. LeBron is not a "dunker/layup" guy. Those are centers. LeBron plays the wing. Only a THIRD of his shots come around the rim. Which means 66% of his shots are jumpers. Don't try to play me with "50%" being pathetic. His FG% this year is 57%. I'll write that again....

LeBron James this year is shooting 57% from the floor.
Michael Jordan did that exactly 0 times in his career. Never. Not once.

CP3 is the primary ball-handler in LA but only turns it over 2.3 times per game (good for 46th in the league) . Not an atrocious 3.5 (good for 9th in the league). What makes your stat superior when turnovers are not always from passes? That's why I used turnovers to speak on Lj's ball-handling and used assist-to bad pass-ratio to speak on his passing. Again Lj plays PG and is the primary ball handler for his team (because he can't play off the ball) leading his team not only in usage, but touches, giving him more opportunities to have direct assists (as opposed to hockey assists); always has. 'Melo has never been the primary ball-handler/facilitator for his team. It's always been guys like Billups, Baron, Jeremy, Felton, Pablo, etc. 'Melo doesn't lead his team in touches; Felton does because he's the PG. As someone on here once pointed out, let most people control the ball as much as him and they'll match his assist totals.

Lj doesn't play PG now? He would disagree. He said:

It's pick your poison. If you're going to double me, I'll find my shooters; if you're going to play me one‑on‑one, I'm going to be aggressive and look for my shot. I'm an unselfish guy. If they try to come on the post and take the ball away from me, I'm going to look weak side -- try to find my shooters, try to find my bigs on the baseline. If not, I'm going to go to work.

and...

I can’t have my shooters out there worrying about some sleeves and not shooting the ball.

A writer on bleacher report correctly observed...

Fit is important to the Heat. Unlike many teams, the point guard isn’t guaranteed to be on the floor at the end of games or even orchestrate the offense on many possessions

Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel wrote:

Now, if you get a Lowry or a player looking to re-establish himself, he might not be as willing to sacrifice playing time, shots or even play-making opportunities. To a degree, Chalmers is a fit for this team because he can appreciate his place.

Primary orchestrator of the offense. Some definitions...

A position in basketball usually reserved for the team's best ball handler and/or best passer. It is sometimes referred to as "the one"

The point guard is commonly referred to as the "floor general" or "a coach on the floor". The point guard should be able to run the offense, control the pace, and know how to distribute the ball. He is expected to be the primary ball handler on the court, and thus, every set offensive play typically starts with him.

Point guard (PG), also called the one, play maker or "the ball-handler," is one of the standard positions in a regulation basketball game and is commonly abbreviated "PG." A point guard has perhaps the most specialized role of any position – essentially, they are expected to run the team's offense by controlling the ball and making sure that it gets to the right players at the right time. Above all, the point guard must totally understand and accept his coach's game plan; in this way, the position can be compared to a quarterback in American football.

the backcourt player who directs the team's offense.

That describes Lj.

I'd encourage you to google “primary facilitator Miami Heat” and for at least 2 pages, Lj dominates the articles as the primary facilitator aka PG. I just took a quick glance and there seems to be the same result when you google “primary playmaker Miami Heat”. Again, if you look at the stats, you will mostly see those with the official tag of pg leading in touches. The only exceptions are Kobe, Lj (cuz he's the PG), Kevin Love, and Paul George (who plays PG with Hill), and Harden (who I believe also plays PG at times). Are you really arguing that CP3 “never had to carry the burden of being a team's Number 1 Scoring option”? Are you really arguing that defenses don't focus on CP3 more than anyone on that team? Is he not 2nd in scoring in LA behind Blake Griffin? Are you arguing that defenses are worried about Blake more than CP3?

Maybe? I never said maybe. Most people who control the ball as much as him, do match his assist totals. I just told you Felton averages almost just as many for the same reason and he was on the Bobcats for most of his career. He doesn't average as many points because he doesn't take as many shots. L averages more fga's than Kobe and 'Melo and he's the PG. Tony doesn't and he's a scoring PG. What on Earth are you talkin' about. Go to NBA stats and you will see that for every year of his career, a large part of his fga's were within 5ft. This is season 600 of his fga's was from there. 106 from 5-9ft, 83 from 10-14ft, 178 from 15-19ft, 206 from 20-24ft, 169 from 25-29ft. And, look at this shot chart. Jordan was very athletic used his mid-range game much more than Lj because Lj doesn't have one and that's putting it mildly. Jordan never played with Wade and Bosh and Pippen was no where near the scoring threat that Wade is. Jordan also averages the same FG% for his career despite not being a dunker/layup guy the whole first 11 years of his career.

 

[CapitalOne]

I don't even know where to start. First of all, your timing/accuracy/ball handling comment is pure fallacy. "Atrocious" the fukk are you talking about?
Next, you move the goalposts on your turnover comments... you criticize LeBron for having more turnovers than Melo, then criticize him for being the primary ball handler. Nah, he's getting 2-1 A/T% to Carmelo's 1-1. Don't glaze over numbers because they suit you. You say LeBron plays the point, but he doesn't, and then you're comparing him to point guards that have never had to carry the burden of being a team's Number 1 Scoring option. You can't come at me with that apples/oranges shyt.

"As somebody once said, let other people handle the ball as much as he does and they'll get that many assists" - Maybe? But they don't, because they can't. And those people definitely won't ALSO score 27 a game.


I have to stop you there, again. LeBron is not a "dunker/layup" guy. Those are centers. LeBron plays the wing. Only a THIRD of his shots come around the rim. Which means 66% of his shots are jumpers. Don't try to play me with "50%" being pathetic. His FG% this year is 57%. I'll write that again....

LeBron James this year is shooting 57% from the floor.
Michael Jordan did that exactly 0 times in his career. Never. Not once.


CP3 is the primary ball-handler in LA but only turns it over 2.3 times per game (good for 46th in the league) . Not an atrocious 3.5 (good for 9th in the league). What makes your stat superior when turnovers are not always from passes? That's why I used turnovers to speak on Lj's ball-handling and used assist-to bad pass-ratio to speak on his passing. Again Lj plays PG and is the primary ball handler for his team (because he can't play off the ball) leading his team not only in usage, but touches, giving him more opportunities to have direct assists (as opposed to hockey assists); always has. 'Melo has never been the primary ball-handler/facilitator for his team. It's always been guys like Billups, Baron, Jeremy, Felton, Pablo, etc. 'Melo doesn't lead his team in touches; Felton does because he's the PG. As someone on here once pointed out, let most people control the ball as much as him and they'll match his assist totals.

Lj doesn't play PG now? He would disagree. He said:


and...



A writer on bleacher report correctly observed...

Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel wrote:

Primary orchestrator of the offense. Some definitions...







That describes Lj.

I'd encourage you to google “primary facilitator Miami Heat” and for at least 2 pages, Lj dominates the articles as the primary facilitator aka PG. I just took a quick glance and there seems to be the same result when you google “primary playmaker Miami Heat”. Again, if you look at the stats, you will mostly see those with the official tag of pg leading in touches. The only exceptions are Kobe, Lj (cuz he's the PG), Kevin Love, and Paul George (who plays PG with Hill), and Harden (who I believe also plays PG at times). Are you really arguing that CP3 “never had to carry the burden of being a team's Number 1 Scoring option”? Are you really arguing that defenses don't focus on CP3 more than anyone on that team? Is he not 2nd in scoring in LA behind Blake Griffin? Are you arguing that defenses are worried about Blake more than CP3?

Maybe? I never said maybe. Most people who control the ball as much as him, do match his assist totals. I just told you Felton averages almost just as many for the same reason and he was on the Bobcats for most of his career. He doesn't average as many points because he doesn't take as many shots. L averages more fga's than Kobe and 'Melo and he's the PG. Tony doesn't and he's a scoring PG. What on Earth are you talkin' about. Go to NBA stats and you will see that for every year of his career, a large part of his fga's were within 5ft. This is season 600 of his fga's was from there. 106 from 5-9ft, 83 from 10-14ft, 178 from 15-19ft, 206 from 20-24ft, 169 from 25-29ft. And, look at this shot chart. Jordan was very athletic used his mid-range game much more than Lj because Lj doesn't have one and that's putting it mildly. Jordan never played with Wade and Bosh and Pippen was no where near the scoring threat that Wade is. Jordan also averages the same FG% for his career despite not being a dunker/layup guy the whole first 11 years of his career.

 

[Victim of Racism]

I was talking about a champ team not this lottery trash team y'all put on the court

No one but melo would start on the wizards

Who at his height is going to lead him in both scoring and rebounding?

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[Wargames]

WTF are we discussing lebron and Durant?

Houston and Miami are two teams I'd actually put ahead of Chicago.

1.) Miami (Lebron, Wade, Bosh opt out, everyone takes cheap deals. Don't say this isn't possible cause we've already seen this happen once and Miami gives him the best chance to win)
2.) Houston (dump Lin + Asik. Maybe Parsons too in a S&T for Melo)
3.) Chicago
4.) Wizards (dark horse, think they have the expiring contracts to do it.)

due to the 150% maximum growth on all contracts no way does Melo take 16 Million to go and play with Miami. All 4 would only get back to the money they are making right now in the fifth year, and unless the knicks traded Melo he wouldn't even get a fifth year. Like the money situation is even worse than when they did it the first time, and how do they deny collusion this time as well?.

Houston are the realest dark horse contenders in my mind. Morey is a son of a bytch too who knows how to exploit the CBA. He and Ainge go way back I could see him uploading asik, lim, and parsons for the space needed for Melo. The only caveat I see is does Melo want to join a team with dwight, and Harden where he would be the third wheel? Miami at least offer him the number 2 spot. In Chicago I think he would take that team over and make rose into his wade. Also I don't know if there would be nearly enough touches to satisfy dwight, harden, and Melo.

Idk about the Wizards.... really they are nice but Melo is not taking that team to the championships. The odds of them keeping Ariza and Gortat if they get Melo is damn near zilch and that team while better wouldn't be world beaters missing those peice.

I'm telling ya'll its the knicks or the bulls and 9 times out of 10 if it happens it will be a sign and trade. Too much money is involved for Melo to go to some random spot and not get a fifth year. Him opting out now is to get that guaranteed year as soon as possible. He used it to threaten the knicks to trade for him and he'll use it again if necessary to get what he wants. Hell this whole thing could be him angling to get that Kobe max.

 

[Luke Cage]

1.) Miami (Lebron, Wade, Bosh opt out, everyone takes cheap deals. Don't say this isn't possible cause we've already seen this happen once and Miami gives him the best chance to win)
)

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He's more likely to go back to Denver than this scenario is of ever happening

 

[Mr swag]

Who at his height is going to lead him in both scoring and rebounding?

If his a number 1 option why has he never made the finals. He mostly always gets bounced out the 1st round.

Dude has played on stacked teams. He makes no one better

He makes players worse. He is a ball stopper

Amare balls out of control then they trade for melo.......never to hear from him ever again. Lin balls out of control then melo returns.........

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Houston and Miami are two teams I'd actually put ahead of Chicago.

1.) Miami (Lebron, Wade, Bosh opt out, everyone takes cheap deals. Don't say this isn't possible cause we've already seen this happen once and Miami gives him the best chance to win)
2.) Houston (dump Lin + Asik. Maybe Parsons too in a S&T for Melo)
3.) Chicago
4.) Wizards (dark horse, think they have the expiring contracts to do it.)

Miami doesn't have the cap space.
Houston, maybe, but I highly doubt it.
Chicago, okay.
Washington is not a championship contending team.

And why are known stans of other teams putting their input We don't give a damn about your opinion.

 

[K-Deini]

Pau Gasol To Receive Interest From Knicks In Free Agency
Apr 17, 2014 10:18 PM EDT

The New York Knicks will be interested in Pau Gasol in free agency, according to a source.

Gasol won two championships under Knicks president Phil Jackson and would not receive anything close to the $19.3 million per year that he made with the Los Angeles Lakers this season.

Gasol would have to accept the Knicks' taxpayer's midlevel exception of approximately $3.2 million.

Via Marc J. Spears/Yahoo! Sports

he aint comin for no 3 milly..lakers brehs yall want tyson?

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

If his a number 1 option why has he never made the finals. He mostly always gets bounced out the 1st round.

Dude has played on stacked teams. He makes no one better

He makes players worse. He is a ball stopper

Amare balls out of control then they trade for melo.......never to hear from him ever again. Lin balls out of control then melo returns.........

Shut up :aspirin: