CP3 is the primary ball-handler in LA but only turns it over 2.3 times per game (good for 46th in the league) . Not an atrocious 3.5 (good for 9th in the league).
CP3 isn't also asked to be the number one scorer. And he's a POINT GUARD BY TRADE
I'll admit, 3.5 turnovers is an ugly number, almost as ugly as Magic's 4 turnovers per game
LeBron has the 4th most turnovers in the nba, behind 1) John Wall 2) Stephen Curry 3) Kevin Durant.
Again Lj plays PG and is the primary ball handler for his team (because he can't play off the ball)
He does NOT play point guard. He plays small forward. He gets the most touches because he is the best player on the team. Similar to when MJ played for the bulls, and led the team in touches. The offense goes THROUGH LeBron.
leading his team not only in usage, but touches, giving him more opportunities to have direct assists (as opposed to hockey assists); always has. 'Melo has never been the primary ball-handler/facilitator for his team. It's always been guys like Billups, Baron, Jeremy, Felton, Pablo, etc. 'Melo doesn't lead his team in touches; Felton does because he's the PG.
But Melo's usage rate is higher than LeBron's. He has more plays specifically to put the ball in his hands, and doesn't get nearly as many assists. Not even close.
As someone on here once pointed out, let most people control the ball as much as him and they'll match his assist totals.
Not sure why you keep quoting this, it is incorrect.
A writer on bleacher report correctly
observed...
BLEACHER REPORT!!!!
I'd encourage you to google “primary facilitator Miami Heat”
Joakim Noah was the "primary facilitator" in chicago this year is he a point guard? 
Again, if you look at the stats, you will mostly see those with the official tag of pg leading in touches.The only exceptions are Kobe, Lj (cuz he's the PG), Kevin Love, and Paul George (who plays PG with Hill), and Harden (who I believe also plays PG at times). (you are wrong Lin/Beverly)
None of those players are point guards you simple fukk. All you proved was that the elite players get the most touches.
Jordan also averages the same FG% for his career despite not being a dunker/layup guy the whole first 11 years of his career.
Where are you getting this "dunker/layup type guy" shyt?
This is scoring argument about CP3 is false on so many levels. The more you have the ball, the more opportunities you have to turn it over. CP3 has it just as much as Lj but is better at taking care of it. Defenses are designed to stop CP3, giving him more of an excuse to turn it over than anyone on his team. Blake only has the ball if CP3 gives it to him, which is why he turns it over the 2nd most on the team. The only reason CP3 turns it over 0.5 times less than Blake is because he's better at taking care of it. Felton is also good at that and Lj is not. Lj is better at taking care of the ball than Magic. The both are obviously terrible in that category. Is Lj a better passer, probably not but I can't find the stats on his bad passes to compare with his assists. 4th most turnovers is terrible.
Being the best player is not the reason for most touches. Most PG's lead in that category, not best players. There are very few exceptions. I already told you that and I've already proven Lj plays PG from Lj himself, from those close to the situation, and from a random google search. You don't know this better than Lj and Ira. That's why he's often called “Point-Forward”. You should google “Miami Heat Point Foward”. You keep asserting that I'm wrong but that's not a rebuttal and it's not proof. It's just assertion.
That's my point. The
plays are designed for 'Melo. The offense is set up for 'Melo to shoot, not pass, even though he only averages 8.3 less passes per game than Lj, who is the PG. The offense is designed to depend on him to shoot because of Amaré's health and the fact that JR just learned how to play at the 2nd half of last season. I don't even need to bring up any other players on the team. Usage doesn't determine whether you're supposed to have more assists. That is a fallacy.
Usage is determined by the person who leads in touches. If the person who leads in touches doesn't pass to you, then you will have no usage because the person who leads in touches
always has the ball. Another phrase to use for touches is possessions. So, while, Felton may not always be shooting, he always has it. He is in possession of it more than anyone on the team.
Felton doesn't depend on 'Melo to give him the ball. It's the other way around. Just like the big 3 in Boston depended on Rondo to give them the ball. Felton, Rondo, Lj, and anyone else leading in touches
controls the ball, which is why they all lead their teams in direct assists. Touches don't give you the most opportunity for direct assists. Usage does. Nice try, tho. You keep asserting that I'm wrong but that's not a rebuttal and it's not proof. It's just assertion.
You keep saying that my reference to another poster on this board who said “let most people control the ball as much as him and they'll match his assist totals”, is incorrect but I've already proven it with Felton, CP3, Rondo, and Parker. You can add Westbrook, Lowry, Lawson, Wall, Rubio. I could go on. You keep asserting that I'm wrong but that's not a rebuttal and it's not proof. It's just assertion.
You can dismiss Bleacher Report but you can't dismiss the source of the Bleacher Report article. I told you that the writer of the Bleacher Report article got his info from Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel
wrote:
Now, if you get a Lowry or a player looking to re-establish himself, he might not be as willing to sacrifice playing time, shots or even play-making opportunities. To a degree, Chalmers is a fit for this team because he can appreciate his place.
Noah is playing PG while Derrick is out this particular season because he is 2nd in touches this season behind Derrick, which means he controlled the ball the most while Derrick has been out. Just like KD played PG while Westbrook was out. Lj has led his team in touches
his entire career, not just as season or 2 like Noah and KD. He does not play off the ball because he cannot and he said as much in
this article.
Of course non of those players are PG. That's why I called them “exceptions”. So, who's
really the “simple” one here? But let me repeat it because you didn't catch it before. If you look at the stats, you will
mostly see those with the
official tag of pg leading in touches.The only
exceptions are Kobe, Lj (cuz he's the PG), Kevin Love, and Paul George (who plays PG with Hill), and Harden (who I believe also plays PG at times). To say that Harden doesn't play playmaker role on that team is just not true. That's why he averages the most assists on the team and a good 10 more mpg than they do.
Where am I getting dunk/layup guy? From stats. This is season 600 of his 1353 fga's was from there. 106 from 5-9ft, 83 from 10-14ft, 178 from 15-19ft, 206 from 20-24ft, 169 from 25-29ft. And, look at
this shot chart.
Of his
made shots this year, 67% of them come from within 8 feet. That means only one third of his
made shots are on the perimeter. Since he's so poor beyond 8ft and attempts nearly have of his shots from within 5ft, I will ask again, what
ever will he do when he's no longer fast, athletic, and strong enough to drive like he can now against younger players for those 8ft or less baskets that he needs so desperately? Jordan, Kobe, and 'Melo, to name a few, came into the league with a mid-range game but Lj, after 11 years into his career still shoots 32.1% from mid-range.
Billups, who's never even averaged 20ppg? Iverson who he only had for 3 years, didn't play in the Playoffs one of the 3 years he was in Denver, and showed up in 1 of the 2 post-seasons that he was present for? 'Melo didn't make the WCF with Iverson, but he sure made it without him. And this, with role players that had no shooting ability. I don't know how he did it, honestly. You'd get bounced in the 1st too if that's what you had to go to war with Kobe and the rest of the West. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that there's a reason George Karl doesn't have a job. Lj played two .500 teams (Nets & Wizards) to get to the ECF. When he got there, Daniel Gibson was the 2nd leading scorer in the series, and went on to out-play Lj in game 6, scoring 19 of their last 31 points (but 31 pts total in the game) to eliminate the Pistons and was a +19 for the game. Lj got swept by the Spurs in the next round (the Finals). When he had less, he couldn't even take them to the Playoffs 2 years in a row, much less the Finals. KD has Westbrook, role players that can shoot, and he's had Westbrook all but 1 year of his whole career. He even missed the Playoffs with him. 'Melo has never been on a “stacked team”. 
How does 'Melo not make his teammates better if they became the GOAT 3-pt shooting team last season (finished in the top 10 this season, despite injury) from his scoring prowess getting them all those open looks? 
All he'll do with it is give them a chance to get into the Playoffs every season. And this, with the worse coaching and J.R. being his “2nd option”. 
You said
What is your argument? Melo has never facilitated an office consistently or willfully in his life. I'm a fan of his, I was excited to sign him. But his game is his game.
