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weren't they right about the knicks winning 34 games last year after winning 54 the year before?these fakkits dont learn do they
Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread
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The disrespect is real. They have the Pacers finishing with a better record than us even though they lost both Lance & PG
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Last Time That I Checc'd......
37 but even though they were right don't let it bother you my nikka they were just hating.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/48845/knicks-dont-agree-with-37-wins-projection
shump is a defensive wing in theory , thansis will hopefully be a defensive 4 and the Knicks have consistently found bench players that's the least of our worries ( see copeland , Tyler , shump , fields , Novak , Lin , thjr , cleanthony etc )
He's not a 4. This is the other thing, I don't think you guys are familiar with the roster we and players we have.
Paul George wasn't no asset to get cp3 in 2011.
Did you see what CP3 got traded for?
The knicks got swept due to both amare and billuos getting hurt plus Jared Jeffries not dunking a perfect pass from Melo under the basket where he instead bobbled and hesistated .
The knicks got swept because they were a much worse team, with less talent and worse coaching... and that's what happens when a really good team plays a fairly good team.
My point of wasting Melos prime isht irrelevant because I'm in 2014 so tanking this year would be a waste of his prime so I'm not sure what you thought I meant but I mean this year because we don't have time machines .
We're talking about "wasting primes" like we haven't wasted the last 3 years of his prime... putting up 1 embarrassing playoff ass whipping. One flameout to the Pacers where we got handled, and missing the playoffs.
This team hasn't been great. They were pretty good for one season. the other got saved by Jeremy Lin going Super Saiyan. Last year we made a last flutter for the playoffs... but we were NOT a good team. Not even close.
This reality thing is uncharted territory for some of you.
Can someone tell me how to post articles with the quotes attached?? I never learned
I think that was that computer program that calculates shyt came up with the win total to be fair
Thansis is 6'6 or 6'7 and lanky he's not guarding ....., wait wait god Damn it move onWe're talking about "wasting primes" like we haven't wasted the last 3 years of his prime... putting up 1 embarrassing playoff ass whipping. One flameout to the Pacers where we got handled, and missing the playoffs.
This team hasn't been great. They were pretty good for one season. the other got saved by Jeremy Lin going Super Saiyan. Last year we made a last flutter for the playoffs... but we were NOT a good team. Not even close.
This reality thing is uncharted territory for some of you.
i thought we killed this tanking shir days ago. Well revisit that at the end of the year how about that ,??? Let's discuss Melos weight loss and the playoff projections . This other stuff I'm over let's call a truce and move on I'm tired of arguing about the same shyt
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Thanasis would foul out in the 1st quarter trying to guard 4's.
Because he's not a power forward. He's a wing.
And now it's "oh, let's talk about tanking at the end of the season..." These guys don't get it. The argument isn't "will they tank or won't they?" They will not. They'll play hard and be middling. We know that. Maybe they even have a good season and finish with a top 5 seed. Maybe win the atlantic? Who knows! They want to change the argument to "Let's see if they tank!" Because they are wrong. And they don't understand how how basketball works. They shake pompoms. Which is fine. Everyone needs cheerleaders.
But the discussion is about what is better for the team. As if having a higher draft choice could be worse than having a LOWER draft choice. It's silly.
They weren't here in scrum when this team was a flaming pile of feces, they were in middle school. They didn't see knick fans get damn near laughed off the site for telling everyone they had a real shot when the roster was D league status. One good season, and a bunch of new fans spring up, with a 2 year memory... it's just funny.
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I don't know why dudes think they'll be better this year because of that "Calderon is better than Felton" rationale. Dalembert is washed up and Bargnani doesn't even in belong in the league anymore. Not having a 1st rounder really hurt this year. Adreian Payne would of been nice.
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I don't really understand what you're saying. Are you saying superstars don't go and sign elsewhere? Or they don't get traded? Stars like KG, Ray Allen, Bosh, LeBron, Chris Paul, Kevin Love? Carmelo Anthony? They don't get moved? They don't sign elsewhere? Guys like Shaq, Tracy McGrady, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Grant Hill? They don't get traded or sign elsewhere?
You just started watching this summer?
Yo what are you talking about? Where did you get that out of what I posted? And then on top of all that crap you just generated, you're trying to play me like I don't watch ball?
It's not about "turning everything around" - Follow here:
This season is going to happen, and it's going to end - as all seasons do - and the the off season will begin.
- The knicks won't win a championship this season. They will be "Good" at best.
- Carmelo Agrees.
- So this coming off season is when they'll have a chance to add talent. Via free agency and the draft.
- If they were to lose this season, they would have a better chance, to add a better player through the draft. Statistically speaking.
- If they were to fight for a playoff spot and just get one (6-8) or just fail (8-10) they would have - against STATISTICALLY SPEAKING - a LOWER chance at getting better talent through the draft.
- When you hit free agency, it would be BETTER to have MORE TALENT especially MORE CHEAP TALENT.
That's it. I trust Phil and his staff to draft a decent player... I would rather give him access to REALLY GOOD players in the draft.
Again... if the knicks win this year, and they're good, and they're competitive. Hell, even if they are TERRIBLE (as they have been for most of the last decade and a half) I'll root for them. I'll watch games, I'll get upset when they blow it, I'll get excited when they're firing on all cylinders. I'm a fan.
But this argument has been about strategy, and having a better pick would be a better strategy. Point blank. You guys are sitting here crying like i'm BEGGING FOR THEM TO LOSE... no, I just know that if they implode, or if they're not that good, like they were not that good last year... we'll still be in an alright position for the time period that really matters... 2015 and beyond.
What this whole debate boils down to is that you don't believe in the talent on this roster. Sure I'd rather have a high pick. Who wouldn't. Of course a higher pick gives you access to more talent. That's common sense. But what would have to happen to get that lottery pick? Unlike you, a lot of us in here believe that there's enough talent on this team to make the playoffs. So in our eyes, to miss out on the playoffs and end up with a lottery pick means the Knicks would have to play like garbage and not play up to their potential. And I for one am not a supporter of the doing that. You think they're probably going to suck anyways which is why you're
for them to tank.
And he has looked great in summer league. And he's dynamic, and a game-changing defender, and he's potentially going to be paired with the best big man prospect in a decade.
Yeah and he did all this in 1 year of college and the summer league. And he hasn't shown any type of offensive game outside of catching alley's and finishing on fast breaks. When Noel and Embiid finally do pair up on the court, they can end up being really good and scare the rest of the league. But we don't know for sure. And either way it's going to take time for them to develop. Philly has that time to wait. The Knicks don't.
Do a little research into how the minutes/games were managed in the second half of that Spurs season...
Breh, Robinson played in 6 games. If Melo only played in 6 games, we'd be terrible too.
It isn't. They should. Nobody is going to go out there and and lose on purpose.
So if we both agree on this, you should probably drop all the tank talk.
Ehh, pride and respect are overrated. This is a job for them, remember that. You're a fan... they're not.
It is to some extent, but to say that some players don't play with pride and self respect is bogus.
It's not absurd. It is an ideological plan... that yields LESS talent than a play where they lose and get a higher pick. But it's a fine plan.
And your plan is an ideological one... that yields a higher prospect (which doesn't automatically equate to a better NBA player) to a team that is worse than it was the year before. Not my type of plan.
I don't really understand what you're saying. Are you saying superstars don't go and sign elsewhere? Or they don't get traded? Stars like KG, Ray Allen, Bosh, LeBron, Chris Paul, Kevin Love? Carmelo Anthony? They don't get moved? They don't sign elsewhere? Guys like Shaq, Tracy McGrady, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Grant Hill? They don't get traded or sign elsewhere?
You just started watching this summer?
Yo what are you talking about? Where did you get that out of what I posted? And then on top of all that crap you just generated, you're trying to play me like I don't watch ball?
It's not about "turning everything around" - Follow here:
This season is going to happen, and it's going to end - as all seasons do - and the the off season will begin.
- The knicks won't win a championship this season. They will be "Good" at best.
- Carmelo Agrees.
- So this coming off season is when they'll have a chance to add talent. Via free agency and the draft.
- If they were to lose this season, they would have a better chance, to add a better player through the draft. Statistically speaking.
- If they were to fight for a playoff spot and just get one (6-8) or just fail (8-10) they would have - against STATISTICALLY SPEAKING - a LOWER chance at getting better talent through the draft.
- When you hit free agency, it would be BETTER to have MORE TALENT especially MORE CHEAP TALENT.
That's it. I trust Phil and his staff to draft a decent player... I would rather give him access to REALLY GOOD players in the draft.
Again... if the knicks win this year, and they're good, and they're competitive. Hell, even if they are TERRIBLE (as they have been for most of the last decade and a half) I'll root for them. I'll watch games, I'll get upset when they blow it, I'll get excited when they're firing on all cylinders. I'm a fan.
But this argument has been about strategy, and having a better pick would be a better strategy. Point blank. You guys are sitting here crying like i'm BEGGING FOR THEM TO LOSE... no, I just know that if they implode, or if they're not that good, like they were not that good last year... we'll still be in an alright position for the time period that really matters... 2015 and beyond.
What this whole debate boils down to is that you don't believe in the talent on this roster. Sure I'd rather have a high pick. Who wouldn't. Of course a higher pick gives you access to more talent. That's common sense. But what would have to happen to get that lottery pick? Unlike you, a lot of us in here believe that there's enough talent on this team to make the playoffs. So in our eyes, to miss out on the playoffs and end up with a lottery pick means the Knicks would have to play like garbage and not play up to their potential. And I for one am not a supporter of the doing that. You think they're probably going to suck anyways which is why you're
for them to tank.And he has looked great in summer league. And he's dynamic, and a game-changing defender, and he's potentially going to be paired with the best big man prospect in a decade.
Yeah and he did all this in 1 year of college and the summer league. And he hasn't shown any type of offensive game outside of catching alley's and finishing on fast breaks. When Noel and Embiid finally do pair up on the court, they can end up being really good and scare the rest of the league. But we don't know for sure. And either way it's going to take time for them to develop. Philly has that time to wait. The Knicks don't.
Do a little research into how the minutes/games were managed in the second half of that Spurs season...
Breh, Robinson played in 6 games. If Melo only played in 6 games, we'd be terrible too.
It isn't. They should. Nobody is going to go out there and and lose on purpose.
So if we both agree on this, you should probably drop all the tank talk.
Ehh, pride and respect are overrated. This is a job for them, remember that. You're a fan... they're not.
It is to some extent, but to say that some players don't play with pride and self respect is bogus.
It's not absurd. It is an ideological plan... that yields LESS talent than a play where they lose and get a higher pick. But it's a fine plan.
And your plan is an ideological one... that yields a higher prospect (which doesn't automatically equate to a better NBA player) to a team that is worse than it was the year before. Not my type of plan.
Why???
Having a second a rounder is basically just as good as having a first rounder. Haven't you heard? The knicks don't have time to build through the draft anyway. I know they didn't make the playoffs last year, but this is a win-now team. Win 40 games and make the 7 seed. Now. Win 44 and get the 4th seed, and end up with Jabari Bird or Frank Kaminsky instead of Karl Towns or Stanley Johnson. Besides, even if you got a good pick, they could get hurt! Did you know that!? And you don't even get a re-do! You might as well not even HAVE draft picks, it mean... it's SUCH a crapshoot.
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You losers still trying to back tanking 
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