Majid Jordan reveals OVO's secrets on Hot 97(How they find writers,Writing Concentration Camps,etc.)

[Black_Panther_JS]

Just don't compare Drake and Ye

 

[The Mad Titan]

So who is writing for Hov and Nas in 2016?

Neither are at there prime, Nas isn't created hits. Hov isn't either.

Neither of them are out to make top charting songs or albums.

Wayne would have been a better comparison, or Ye, or Kendrick.

 

[spliz]

Neither are at there prime, Nas isn't created hits. Hov isn't either.

Neither of them are out to make top charting songs or albums.

Wayne would have been a better comparison, or Ye, or Kendrick.

Doubt Kendrick doesn't write his rhymes.

 

[MrPentatonic]

Wayne is the same as drake, claimed to be the best with the pen while hiring ghost writers and the people mostly overlooked it because the music was dope

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Hov ain't creating hits?

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

last album he put out had hits
dafuq

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

That's currently
and they are all usually on the album (besides Yeezus)
also Kanye produces, Drake doesn't

Ye has a whole bunch of guest on his shyt
Drake doesn't

Kanye never says he does it by himself, and the people are credited

Drake's aren't and he keeps trying to hide it

ALSO

Kanye doesn't have nikkas in rooms writing his shyt for him
if he get's help it's a line or 2

Main Point is Ye produces and only has a whole bunch of dudes with him now, not back in the 2000s
and Ye has already dropped 2 classics and 2 other good-great albums in his first 10

Drake's best is simply "good" and he's been in the game for like 6 years on an album level and already needs dudes to write his stuff

A lot of what you said is inaccurate and it sounds like you're just trying to create a distinction to separate the two situations.

"Kanye produces, Drake doesn't"... what does that even mean? Look at most Kanye songs and see how many people are listed under the production credits. It's well known he brings in a bunch of different producers to work on projects with him. So you're saying Drake just has people writing for him while Kanye has people writing AND producing for him; and somehow that gives more credence to Kanye's artistic process? Nah.

Drake's producers and writers are always credited for their work as well.

And yes, Ye has people that help him write whole projects. Rhymefest, Consequence, Common, Cudi, Big Sean, Travis Scott, Cyhi, etc. have all done extensive writing for Kanye, not "just a line here or there".

And to your main point, Ye has ALWAYS had a group of people writing his stuff, but the stans didn't want to hear it.



So again, the two situations are extremely similar. If anything, Drake has more of a leg to stand on because we know he's written for other artists and he's won a BMI Songwriter of the Year award. I don't really care one way or the other, but it's funny how dudes on here have such differing opinions and start to cop pleas for an artist they stan when you point out how the two situations aren't all that different.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Neither are at there prime, Nas isn't created hits. Hov isn't either.

Neither of them are out to make top charting songs or albums.

Wayne would have been a better comparison, or Ye, or Kendrick.

Yeah nah it's a perfect example. Both have been mega rap stars in their career. Clearly Jay more than Nas but they have both been at the top of their game in this genre.

Yet we've never heard any allegations of of Hov or Nas on the same fukkery that Drake is on.

And that's through decades of half the industry straight despising Jay-Z

And I very much doubt anyone is "writing" for Kendrick. Not on the Drake/Kanye level.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

I agree with what someone else said though. Once you get to THAT level as a hip hop artist, chances are you have someone else at least helping you create songs. You simply have too many other business commitments to focus on writing like that, so it's a lot easier to bring in new blood to give you suggestions and spark your creative process. shyt, I'm a Hov stan but I'd be naive to think someone like Young Chris didn't, at the VERY least, influence Hov's music making process back in his whisper flow days. It is what it is though.

 

[Vilhena]

I agree with what someone else said though. Once you get to THAT level as a hip hop artist, chances are you have someone else at least helping you create songs. You simply have too many other business commitments to focus on writing like that, so it's a lot easier to bring in new blood to give you suggestions and spark your creative process. shyt, I'm a Hov stan but I'd be naive to think someone like Young Chris didn't, at the VERY least, influence Hov's music making process back in his whisper flow days. It is what it is though.

I can't see an 18 year old writing for Jay back then. But Jay did jack his flow and steez

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

A lot of what you said is inaccurate and it sounds like you're just trying to create a distinction to separate the two situations.

"Kanye produces, Drake doesn't"... what does that even mean? Look at most Kanye songs and see how many people are listed under the production credits. It's well known he brings in a bunch of different producers to work on projects with him. So you're saying Drake just has people writing for him while Kanye has people writing AND producing for him; and somehow that gives more credence to Kanye's artistic process? Nah.

Drake's producers and writers are always credited for their work as well.

And yes, Ye has people that help him write whole projects. Rhymefest, Consequence, Common, Cudi, Big Sean, Travis Scott, Cyhi, etc. have all done extensive writing for Kanye, not "just a line here or there".

And to your main point, Ye has ALWAYS had a group of people writing his stuff, but the stans didn't want to hear it.



So again, the two situations are extremely similar. If anything, Drake has more of a leg to stand on because we know he's written for other artists and he's won a BMI Songwriter of the Year award. I don't really care one way or the other, but it's funny how dudes on here have such differing opinions and start to cop pleas for an artist they stan when you point out how the two situations aren't all that different.

and you mention CyHi, Sean, CuDi and Travi$ why?

im talking about his 1st 3 and maybe 4th

also Ye didn't have co producers for his 1st 3, maybe once or twice

just cause he did this shyt in the 10s doesn't mean he sucks

 

[The Mad Titan]

Yeah nah it's a perfect example. Both have been mega rap stars in their career. Clearly Jay more than Nas but they have both been at the top of their game in this genre.

Yet we've never heard any allegations of of Hov or Nas on the same fukkery that Drake is on.

And that's through decades of half the industry straight despising Jay-Z

And I very much doubt anyone is "writing" for Kendrick. Not on the Drake/Kanye level.

Of course you haven't That was a whole different era, this is the digital media era where as soon as something gets said its out to millions. the closest thing to that was Jaz o and young chris. And if it wasn't for meek no one would even be second guessing drake, the thing is everyone of your mega "pop" star rappers that had a consistent run had influence from someone. Did they pen it, who knows but any man in this thread would be a damn fool to think Jay or Nas didn't have a team in the studio that heavily supported them at their peak during album release time. If a nikka spit a few bars and hov likes it and then turns around and drops those on a track he's "freestyling" day's later does he have a writer?

Success takes a team, and that's why some of the most lyrical rappers can't drop anything more than Bars, you get on by yourself you get to the top with a team.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

and you mention CyHi, Sean, CuDi and Travi$ why?

im talking about his 1st 3 and maybe 4th

also Ye didn't have co producers for his 1st 3, maybe once or twice

just cause he did this shyt in the 10s doesn't mean he sucks

Why ignore the fact that Rhymefest, Consequence, and Common were writing for him early on in his career?

Also, he brought in Jon Brion for Late Registration to help with the compositions and instrumentation. He also had a co-producer on damn near every song of Graduation, along with a plethora of writers. Sooo....?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Of course you haven't That was a whole different era, this is the digital media era where as soon as something gets said its out to millions. the closest thing to that was Jaz o and young chris. And if it wasn't for meek no one would even be second guessing drake, the thing is everyone of your mega "pop" star rappers that had a consistent run had influence from someone. Did they pen it, who knows but any man in this thread would be a damn fool to think Jay or Nas didn't have a team in the studio that heavily supported them at their peak during album release time. If a nikka spit a few bars and hov likes it and then turns around and drops those on a track he's "freestyling" day's later does he have a writer?

Success takes a team, and that's why some of the most lyrical rappers can't drop anything more than Bars, you get on by yourself you get to the top with a team.

Not only is the bolded false but now you'e suggesting that people who came up during an era when this shyt that's being practiced would get you bodyslammed out the game...had ghost writers

If we in the studio recording and I'm spitting something over and over again to myself and my homeboy is like "Nah yo...da da da da da", and then I go

He did not WRITE for me. And that's definitely not what occurred here with Drake either.

From DAY ONE on SOHH many older heads were looking at Drake with a raised eyebrow word to @Walt and I agreed once I saw dude rhyming off a fukking Blackberry like a clown.

 

[ATI]

Meek Mill still sucks