Majid Jordan reveals OVO's secrets on Hot 97(How they find writers,Writing Concentration Camps,etc.)

[Ronnie Lott]

Drake is going to be running someone's label producing clones one day.

Do you have any criticism for Drake?

 

[GeeEffKay]

Drake is a pop star and brilliant business man.(he is jewish)

Comeback Season and Room for improvement was him(and his best Phonte rendition and Nick F)

So far Gone was him(heavily influenced by Yeezy and Nick F)

TML him and it wasn't that good
Take Kare The weeknd

NWTS PND and MJ

IYRTITL Quentin

WATTBA He was on future wave

He will make a great A&R
All of this is proven. I finally understand. He's the only guy to not have a deal and have a major label artist feature on his song and have a video on 106. He has ties to Dre and Interscope before SFG. 40 kept denying the reference tracks existed only for them to get released.

they really took in a nerdy canadian child actor and made him into a "rapper" and pop star, the ultimate plant

 

[Shadow King]

No mentioned travis scott at all in this thread?

He had a similar writing camp this past summer in LA

Had a mansion with a studio in it and had writers, rappers, and producers living with him

In the grand scheme of things, Travis is not taken seriously. Drake is a borderline Double Plat artist who the industry and now he himself has tried to crown Jay's successor.

And really artists like Travis who don't care about lyrics, I can see them using writers regularly. Cause they're just riding trends. People who take pride in lyrics, I doubt it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

not true, i am OVO

can prove it by p.m. if needed

 

[FeloniousMonk]

The topic isn't Drake being a producer, the topic is Drake being a lyricist.

Okay. I see what you are saying.

Yet to compare a rapper who uses ghostwriters

to

Producers who use ghostwriters..

Is probably the reason I responded....

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Do you have any criticism for Drake?

He needs to balance out his new Six persona with old sensitive Drake. He's also corny. Other than that he's cool.

 

[Shadow King]

1. stop saying everyone uses writers cause that's not the case. we know guys like 50, Pac, and cube wrote their own shyt cause its based on personal accounts. we've seen Wayne and Jay come in the studio come up with concepts off the dome in the studio. Kendrick and 3k write their own shyt. pride in that.

2. from a musical standpoint there is nothing wrong with heavily relying on others if the product is good. A lot of the best popular/mainstream music was not the idea of the artist but rather a group of people including producers, writers, A&R's, and label heads. a good product is a good product.

3. hip-hop is different. the greats write their own shyt and take pride in doing so cause they respect hip-hop. hip-hop was grounded on expressing yourself with your words. which is why freestyling is so huge in the culture. which other genre does this at this level?

4. It was always takes a team to deliver great products, however, when an artist is barely accountable for that product and the artists' voice is the only tangible artistic presence, you lose respect from a hip-hop perspective. the product still might be great, but in rap, the artist loses some credibility, especially if you pride yourself on being one of the dopest rap artist in the game. As good as Kanye's music is, he's never been regarded as the best rapper in the game for this reason.

5. drake is getting away with his use of ghostwriters cause 1) new fans don't give a damn about the true identity of hip-hop/rap 2) the industry tends not to piss off/snitch on cash cows. that's what drake is.

6. I think Drake is a great artist. he has great artistic vision, however, from a rap perspective it would be blasphemous to put him on the same level as Kendrick or Cole. you may not care, but I care when a rapper's role on a song is reduced to vocals and the entire flow/cadence/hook, etc is from another artist. I value creativity. which is why Ive always given the edge to rappers that can also produce/play an instrument. its impressive. but a rapper simply being reduced to a vocalist? that's just not the type of thing I grew up on. I want to hear your thoughts, your lingo, your ideas, your perspective in general, etc.. the product still might be good, but my perception of the artist change. youre eliminated from being a goat level rapper imo. its lke finding out a dope boxer is using roids/ped's. even if you did fight a lot of clean fights, it just changes the perception.

7. rap is just 1 genre of many. most fans of other genres do not care about how authentic an artist is because the genre never emphasized that. so in theory, it is possible to be one of the best artist out but not a top-tier rap artist.

8. Drake's team of producer's initial reaction to the reference track rumors says it all. they were doing a lot of denying and backtracked because they knew of the perception with ghostwring and rap. they knew it as frowned upon. 40 was right when he said drake is more than rapper, however, it was also disingenuous cause we all know drake values his position in rap. rihanna and Bieber aren't his perceived comp...its dudes like Kendrick, cole, etc.

9. the ye/drake comparisons aren't valid. Ye is a producer and he executive produces all of his records. he may not make all of his beats or write all his hooks but the overall vision and sound of his records can be directly attributed to him. that's a lot more involvement than the trend of just taking someone's song and replacing the vocals. Kanye is an actual creator, his ego wouldn't allow anything else.

10. Drake has wrote for other artist and im sure has wrote a lot of his own material. it puzzles me why he has to resorts to stuff like the QM situation. its not like dude is talentless. its not like he needs to be spoon-fed hits? I think dude just became too comfortablee. unless it all was an illusion.

You get it.

As far point 10, I don't think an artist on his 4th album with a proven pen and supposed ability to float on anything suddenly needs some unknown nikka from wherever in ATL to show him to do this. He's probably already been doing this. What percentage of Drake's catalog has Drake written, we'll never truly know. That's the fukked up part of the deception though and is why it's taboo in the first place.

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

Are you trolling?

Drake said that out of his own mouth that he's the illest/youngest nikka doin it.

Why do you feel the need to defend Drake so much? Some of y'all nikkaz will go to the ends of the earth in order to defend Drake.



Let's use your logic, do you think Drake needs you, a "imaginary Internet nikka" to defend him

Drake is not your friend bro

Yall say dude doesnt write his own lyrics
Then cite onenof his lyrics and claim that's something he believes 100 percent...

Do u not see the point injust made

 

[Pier7]

not true, i am OVO

can prove it by p.m. if needed

haha my man, i already kno u are OVO

but what proof were you gonna use anyway?

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

His team is doing a good job of building his brand.

He's a popstar. Not an artists by definition.

 

[Dominic Decoco]

This thread is lit and makes me look at drizzy differently. Can't wait to see what drizzy takes from TRIPSIXX.

 

[Zebruh]

Use ya head dingbat .

With the information that you have acquired today of how PRODUCERS AND ARTISTS come together in writing camps to make songs for Drake. Use ya deductive reasoning skills.

Champagne signed Mike Zombie around the same time as Majid Jordan n many others and they were ALL part of this writing camp process. Started From The Bottom was a song that came out of this camp. The "remix" that Mike Zombie put out is obviously the original reference track.

The one champage was listening to on his way back to the crib off the usb

Meh.

Let me preface this post by saying this. I'm not a Drake stan. At all. Don't care about dude like that at all. The more we learn about "his" writing process, the less credible he becomes to me...

That being said...How can you listen to this track and think it's a reference/demo when the dude frequently references the fact that this song blew up and is all over the radio, has other rappers remixing it, mentions Drake putting him on, and other shyt regarding him coming up since the track dropped?? nikkas predicting the future on records now before they even get chose???? shyt is clearly a remix man.

Whether someone else wrote the OG track for Drake is a diff story.

Back on topic tho, lol @ these nikkas living in tents in the studio. Drizzy disgusting for all this shyt.

 

[Pier7]

mentions Drake putting him on, and other shyt regarding him coming up since the track dropped?? nikkas predicting the future on records now before they even get chose???? shyt is clearly a remix man.

Double down for a second bruh. If you are some struggle rapper and producer from Jersey and Drake of all people randomly chooses you to come fly out to TO to work with him at these camps.

What do you think you are gonna rap about?

Now go back and listen to the lyrics. He is rapping about how his life has changed cause Drake signed him, he is not rapping about the success of the song SFTB yet.

The clear gap at the end with a whole new flow and voice further implies he recorded that last part at a later date, prolly right before he decided to put it on the net.

 

[FRIED MASON]

"These guys are the perfect example of why Drake is on top of the game. People have this idea of what "rap" and "hip-hop" are and they judge Drake based on those ideas. You have to understand there are people just like these dudes who don't see rap the same way these "hip-hop heads" do. They just hear good music. Can't imagine these dudes care about Meek Mill or a diss record in general, let alone whether or not Drake has ghostwriters. This is the future of hip-hop folks, time to embrace it and understand how these different cultures affect the game now."

This one's disgusting.

 

[FRIED MASON]

I see 3 types of people on The Coli.

1. People that like Drake.
2. People that don't like Drake.
3. People that don't like Drake, but like to talk about Drake.

Carry on.

4. People that like Hip Hop and don't accept or co-sign frauds

Carry on.