Majid Jordan reveals OVO's secrets on Hot 97(How they find writers,Writing Concentration Camps,etc.)

[Ronnie Lott]

The levels at which some of these nikkaz will go to STILL defend Drake is

 

[Chip Skylark]

Drake is a pop star and brilliant business man.(he is jewish)

Comeback Season and Room for improvement was him(and his best Phonte rendition and Nick F)

So far Gone was him(heavily influenced by Yeezy and Nick F)

TML him and it wasn't that good
Take Kare The weeknd

NWTS PND and MJ

IYRTITL Quentin

WATTBA He was on future wave

He will make a great A&R
All of this is proven. I finally understand. He's the only guy to not have a deal and have a major label artist feature on his song and have a video on 106. He has ties to Dre and Interscope before SFG. 40 kept denying the reference tracks existed only for them to get released.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

He used Quentin on a few tracks on a mixtape can gave him credit.

The reference tracks didn't really have an impact because they were for bull shyt songs anyway.

Now, if we find out that he received a lot of help from his "real" work, well....

If I find out, he didn't write "Fear" well...


But there's not proof that he didn't.

A1 trolling

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Drake writes because he's written for other people. People don't care about what he doesn't write because he's more popular than ever. It's common practice in the industry because everyone from Rae Sremmurd to Travis Scott holds writing camps. Soooooooooooooooooooooo, what now?

Here's the thing breh. Drake can not hold the "crown" of being "the illest nikka ever doin it" if he has historically had other people pen his rhymes

 

[Dwight Howard]

He used Quentin on a few tracks on a mixtape and gave him credit.

The reference tracks didn't really have an impact because they were for bull shyt songs anyway.

Now, if we find out that he received a lot of help for his "real" work, well....

If I find out, he didn't write "Fear" well...


But there's not proof that he didn't.

I can agree with this to an extent...i'd like to more know about it honestly. im just saying its kinda like steroids/boxing...it just taints it a bit from the rap perspective. if I found out Pac was was doing what drake did it would kinda hurt, even if it wasn't one his signature songs. I'd def have second thought

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Here's the thing breh. Drake can not hold the "crown" of being "the illest nikka ever doin it" if he has historically had other people pen his rhymes

So what? Even before the reference tracks I'd never honestly say Drake was the best at anything. He just makes music that I like.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Drake is going to be running someone's label producing clones one day.

 

[Cuban Pete]

1. stop saying everyone uses writers cause that's not the case. we know guys like 50, Pac, and cube wrote their own shyt cause its based on personal accounts. we've seen Wayne and Jay come in the studio come up with concepts off the dome in the studio. Kendrick and 3k write their own shyt. pride in that.

2. from a musical standpoint there is nothing wrong with heavily relying on others if the product is good. A lot of the best popular/mainstream music was not the idea of the artist but rather a group of people including producers, writers, A&R's, and label heads. a good product is a good product.

3. hip-hop is different. the greats write their own shyt and take pride in doing so cause they respect hip-hop. hip-hop was grounded on expressing yourself with your words. which is why freestyling is so huge in the culture. which other genre does this at this level?

4. It was always takes a team to deliver great products, however, when an artist is barely accountable for that product and the artists' voice is the only tangible artistic presence, you lose respect from a hip-hop perspective. the product still might be great, but in rap, the artist loses some credibility, especially if you pride yourself on being one of the dopest rap artist in the game. As good as Kanye's music is, he's never been regarded as the best rapper in the game for this reason.

5. drake is getting away with his use of ghostwriters cause 1) new fans don't give a damn about the true identity of hip-hop/rap 2) the industry tends not to piss off/snitch on cash cows. that's what drake is.

6. I think Drake is a great artist. he has great artistic vision, however, from a rap perspective it would be blasphemous to put him on the same level as Kendrick or Cole. you may not care, but I care when a rapper's role on a song is reduced to vocals and the entire flow/cadence/hook, etc is from another artist. I value creativity. which is why Ive always given the edge to rappers that can also produce/play an instrument. its impressive. but a rapper simply being reduced to a vocalist? that's just not the type of thing I grew up on. I want to hear your thoughts, your lingo, your ideas, your perspective in general, etc.. the product still might be good, but my perception of the artist change. youre eliminated from being a goat level rapper imo. its lke finding out a dope boxer is using roids/ped's. even if you did fight a lot of clean fights, it just changes the perception.

7. rap is just 1 genre of many. most fans of other genres do not care about how authentic an artist is because the genre never emphasized that. so in theory, it is possible to be one of the best artist out but not a top-tier rap artist.

8. Drake's team of producer's initial reaction to the reference track rumors says it all. they were doing a lot of denying and backtracked because they knew of the perception with ghostwring and rap. they knew it as frowned upon. 40 was right when he said drake is more than rapper, however, it was also disingenuous cause we all know drake values his position in rap. rihanna and Bieber aren't his perceived comp...its dudes like Kendrick, cole, etc.

9. the ye/drake comparisons aren't valid. Ye is a producer and he executive produces all of his records. he may not make all of his beats or write all his hooks but the overall vision and sound of his records can be directly attributed to him. that's a lot more involvement than the trend of just taking someone's song and replacing the vocals. Kanye is an actual creator, his ego wouldn't allow anything else.

10. Drake has wrote for other artist and im sure has wrote a lot of his own material. it puzzles me why he has to resorts to stuff like the QM situation. its not like dude is talentless. its not like he needs to be spoon-fed hits? I think dude just became too comfortablee. unless it all was an illusion.

This post is flawless

 

[Ms. Elaine]

This is the song that did for me when it comes to Drake.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

best rappers of all time

1. drake
2. tupac
3. nas
4. jay-z
5. biggie
7. Rakim
8. Andre 3000
9. Jay Electronica
10. Currency

 

[Alfred0Santana]

I see people saying stuff like this happens in the industry all the time and that's cool. I ain't mad at that...but I'm not about to put nobody in no GOAT or best rapper out conversations with this many asterisks by your name. The Weeknd gave dude ALBUM material and inspiration for what we consider his best project. These Majid Jordan dudes just seem like they happy to be on so they probably had no problem throwing him the Hold On joint. Hotline Bling sounds just like Cha Cha. We heard plenty of ref tracks for IFYRTITL and a verse on Meek's album lol. The final product usually sounds good but how much is actually coming from Drake himself. If I gotta question the authenticity of the work then I can't give dude no credit.

 

[Big Boss]

trust me breh. I know a cat who produced for Drake in the 'early' days. I remember we used to have convos and dude would say he doesn't even listen to hip hop. And I was like: whaaaa

 

[Ronnie Lott]

So what? Even before the reference tracks I'd never honestly say Drake was the best at anything. He just makes music that I like.

But there are people out there that consider Drake to be "the best or one of the best to ever do it" He's essentially "running/leading" hip hop as that dude right now, when in all reality he's had significant help and his image is cookie cutter made up

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I see people saying stuff like this happens in the industry all the time and that's cool. I ain't mad at that...but I'm not about to put nobody in no GOAT or best rapper out conversations with this many asterisks by your name. The Weeknd gave dude ALBUM material and inspiration for what we consider his best project. These Majid Jordan dudes just seem like they happy to be on so they probably had no problem throwing him the Hold On joint. Hotline Bling sounds just like Cha Cha. We heard plenty of ref tracks for IFYRTITL and a verse on Meek's album lol. The final product usually sounds good but how much is actually coming from Drake himself. If I gotta question the authenticity of the work then I can't give dude no credit.

Bingo

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

This is the song that did for me when it comes to Drake.

"And I could use a writer just to balance out my flows."

Had Quentin Miller in the bakery like