Lyricism is dead because it takes too long to write witty lines..these new rappers are just lazy

[Ron Fox]

How is lyricism dead if Cole and K-Dot are heralded as the second coming of both Nas and Pac?


OP you're confusing infamy with actual production. Cole dropped several albums, DAMN is Kendrick's tour de force. You're only cherry picking either, one hit wonders or less lyrical acts to justify your point.....however, it just isn't true. Lyricism will never die...obviously.


The top charting acts on the Billboard have always been vapid or even less lyrical acts. Keep in mind that Sir Mix-a lot went double platinum...rap/lyricism wasn't dead when that happened, and certainly won't be dead in this age.

Cherry picking? Cole and Kendrick is all u got?

Lets go 90's shall we. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Biggie, Smiff N Wesson, Nas, Gza, Meth, Deck, Ghostface, Raekwon, Heltah Skeltah, Early Cube, Kam, Lord Finesse , Big L, Mase, Canibus, Pun, Eminem, Jeru The Damaja, Scarface, Common, Ras Kas, Killah Priest, AZ, Jay Z, Grand Puba

Thats 30 to your 2.

Now post 28 more mcs from this era that are lyrically witty and well known and I'll take u serious.

 

[Kinguno]

Biggie to blame he started that whole don't write my verses down bullshyt

 

[Billy Ocean]

I think people get lyricism confused with using a bunch of big words and metaphors and shyt. Pac was never the best MC but he was lyrical in a sense that he could get his point across using very few words. Similar to Cube and KRS One. Pac spent a lot of time in the studio but he was serious about his craft. The problem with a lot of rappers now is that even tho they spend a lot of time in the studio they don't take their pen game serious. Their goal is to put out as much music as possible becuz the landscape of the game has changed

I ALWAYS said this. Dudes on here would tell me that cats like Cube or Biggie or Beanie Sigel weren't really that lyrical as opposed to dudes like Eminem or Black Thought and I find that funny. You have to be lyrically gifted to make a song that hits you like a Miss U or Pac's Keep Ya Head Up. You don't have to be rippity rappity or use a bunch or metaphors and polysyllabic words to be lyrical. Matter fact most dudes that are usually considered to be the best MCs of all time aren't rippity rappity ass rappers.

 

[Killigraphy]

Cherry picking? Cole and Kendrick is all u got?

Lets go 90's shall we. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Biggie, Smiff N Wesson, Nas, Gza, Meth, Deck, Ghostface, Raekwon, Heltah Skeltah, Early Cube, Kam, Lord Finesse , Big L, Mase, Canibus, Pun, Eminem, Jeru The Damaja, Scarface, Common, Ras Kas, Killah Priest, AZ, Jay Z, Grand Puba

Thats 30 to your 2.

Now post 28 more mcs from this era that are lyrically witty and well known and I'll take u serious.

Why bother? If you're cherry picking, you're just going to try and reduce the people I post up with your own qualifications, even if they are lyrically gifted. Which was besides my point of course. Lyricism isn't dead, it didn't go anywhere, in fact you helped my point...just two lyrical giants made a huge movement. We can include Eminem, as his cypher was as expected, polarizing.


The 90's had hammy acts as well...Vanilla Ice, Shabba Ranks, Sir Mix A lot, MC Hammer, Master P, etc. Lyricism didn't die or dwindle because these one hit wonders were present...the same thing applies in this era.

 

[Killigraphy]

Biggie to blame he started that whole don't write my verses down bullshyt

Even though you have to write them down for legal reasons....but purists will swear he never did.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Lettuce not forget Jay stressing that he wasn't a rapper.
Cam - I'm a businessman I ain't trying to be lyrical.

Even lyrical rappers were downplaying lyricism.

They were hustlers tho, they just couldn’t be wack cause back then You probably wasn’t getting on if ou were trash

 

[Kinguno]

Even though you have to write them down for legal reasons....but purists will swear he never did.

What are the legal reasons

 

[Retired Account]

most of the rappers that dont write aren't freestyling either. they just record a bar or couple bars at a time.
lyricism is less popular because most people don't care about it. simple and catchy lyrics work better for hits.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Cherry picking? Cole and Kendrick is all u got?

Lets go 90's shall we. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Biggie, Smiff N Wesson, Nas, Gza, Meth, Deck, Ghostface, Raekwon, Heltah Skeltah, Early Cube, Kam, Lord Finesse , Big L, Mase, Canibus, Pun, Eminem, Jeru The Damaja, Scarface, Common, Ras Kas, Killah Priest, AZ, Jay Z, Grand Puba

Thats 30 to your 2.

Now post 28 more mcs from this era that are lyrically witty and well known and I'll take u serious.

Joey Bada$$
Chance The Rapper
Dave East
Meek Mill
ScHoolboy Q

Mick Jenkins
Big K.R.I.T
Vince Staples
AB-Soul

^ They’re known to a lesser extent

They not lyrically close to the level of the dudes you mentioned except maybe Joey, Mick and Soul but

 

[iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King]

Op Calls Pac trash but not really

then forces us to read his garbage rhymes


then calls every rapper rapping now trash.

Op is trashmatic.

 

[Terrance Curtis Beasley]

I blame drake

 

[Killigraphy]

What are the legal reasons

Copyright laws.
Fair use.

So whenever anyone either quotes you or borrows a line, they can never claim it as their own, due to you of course writing it down. Again, lawyers have thought if this from all angles. Any rapper that says they never wrote down their lines are obviously lying. But the common civi doesn't do the research.

 

[Ron Fox]

With all due respect, GZA shyt is crushing whatever you posted in the OP @Ron Fox.

You're a big Wu Tang Fan.....I already peeped how defensive u are towards Wu Tang rappers. When Raekwons album dropped this year you were going extra. In that thread about Ghostfaces son being gay u were going extra. In that Cube vs Ghostface thread u were going extra. You are a Wu Tang Clan superfan so I really dont expect you to be objective and say otherwise.

I put my version together in 1996 when I was 17. Queens Gambit dropped in 2005 when Gza was 39.


Go ahead and compare these 4 bars were we both use "Cardinals"....You'll notice I stayed using compounds for every 4 bars and I did that on the whole song. GZA didnt do that. GZA is a waaaaay better rapper and MC then me but when it came to this concept...I ate him.




There should be order regarding who's in ranks
Hip Hop CHIEFS should be respected like CARDINALS & SAINTS
You cant enter the stage with lyrical carving tools and shanks
You have to come with an arsenal of tanks



She dated jolly green GIANTS, that, flew on JETS
An A-list actress, who was never walked off sets
She loved stuffed animals, especially BEARS
Was a role model, like a CARDINAL to our peers

 

[THE MACHINE]

Joey Bada$$
Chance The Rapper
Dave East
Meek Mill
ScHoolboy Q

Mick Jenkins
Big K.R.I.T
Vince Staples
AB-Soul

^ They’re known to a lesser extent

They not lyrically close to the level of the dudes you mentioned except maybe Joey, Mick and Soul but

Wale
Don Q
Nick Grant
Lupe
Freddie Gibbs

as well

 

[BmoreGorilla]

That shyt was so wack, especially considering that it came from several rappers...like Cam and Jay...that you know were putting effort into their rhymes.

Jay especially is very lyrical. He's the metaphor king. I think people like him and Cam calling themselves businessman instead of rappers was their way of bragging. Like "we're so nice and we really aren't even trying"