It's popish by standards of everyone who knows anything about production
Not my fault you dudes like pop beats
"everyone who knows" by your pop standards
Lupe Fiasco -Tetsuo & Youth vs Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly
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"everyone who knows" by your pop standards
eerieBell
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Piff Perkins
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before yall go at my neck...I like Lupe's album.
Kendrick put it well:
I know some rappers using big words to make their similes curve. My simplest shyt be more pivotal
Kendrick is a poetic rapper to me, and I think that elevates him above rappity rap stuff (like Slaughterhouse). Lupe isn't rappity rap but he's so focused on lyricism that he overlooks other things. Delivery, melody, etc.
Lu has songs where he focuses on delivery, melody, etc. He has several different styles of flow.
& that was the whole point of T & Y. To be super lyrical. After Lasers everybody jumped on the "Lupe sucks" bandwagon and said he dumbed his sh*t down. So in response to that he put out his most complex album yet and some just can't handle it.
Lupe said it himself. If u a hardcore Lupe fan, you'll rock with this album, but if you not, you simply won't fukk with it.
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I swear yall be pumping anything lupe. That album wasn't good.
ALonelyDad
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No one would give 2 shyts about TPAB if it wasn't by Kendrick, if Lupe dropped the same album..people would say why is he using these big words and why can't he just rap straight but since Kendrick dropped it, it's the best album of all time
I prefer neither but Kendrick makes better music. Lol at giving me definitions of the word mural
That has no effect on what I said. Y'all delusional if you think people are sitting around for 8 minute freestyles.
Kendrick isn't dumbed down he gets that he has to get the people to hear the message, Lupe is more concerned with being lyrically dense.
Kendrick has a bigger vocab than Lupe?
Don't be mad to the point of being ridiculous... Lupe just doesn't connect with as many people that's all.
ALonelyDad
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Who is mad? lol. I am just saying how it is, you would be lying to yourself if you think TPAB would get this much hype if it was done by another artist. And how does Kendrick have a bigger vocab than Lupe? That is just your opinion. Vocab doesn't determine if the album is abstract, there are different things that go to it.
Kendrick has a bigger vocab than Lupe?
Don't be mad to the point of being ridiculous... Lupe just doesn't connect with as many people that's all.
Lyrically Lupe is miles above Kendrick
But I appreciate Kendrick's musicianship a tad bit more. Both albums are nearly neck and neck to me. I do think Kendrick has the advantage of making a more cohesive body of work.
Lupe's album makes you want stop and just ponder on thought provoking topics. Mural is untouchable in the lyric department. He murdered that classic sample too.
Kendrick's album makes you want to FEEL and move. That's the epitome of Funk and Soulful Jazz. Dark poetry at its finest. TPAB paints the picture of a trouble young Black male going to Jazz joint to get alot off his chest and just blazes up the entire joint. Leaves and feels brand new while the audience is in awe at what they just heard.
I would like to see a collaboration with him and Kendrick but that will never happen due to Lupe's way of thinking and ego.
Its depends on preference, one is definitely more easy listening.
But I appreciate Kendrick's musicianship a tad bit more. Both albums are nearly neck and neck to me. I do think Kendrick has the advantage of making a more cohesive body of work.
Lupe's album makes you want stop and just ponder on thought provoking topics. Mural is untouchable in the lyric department. He murdered that classic sample too.
Kendrick's album makes you want to FEEL and move. That's the epitome of Funk and Soulful Jazz. Dark poetry at its finest. TPAB paints the picture of a trouble young Black male going to Jazz joint to get alot off his chest and just blazes up the entire joint. Leaves and feels brand new while the audience is in awe at what they just heard.
I would like to see a collaboration with him and Kendrick but that will never happen due to Lupe's way of thinking and ego.
Its depends on preference, one is definitely more easy listening.
Kendrick stans man...
I fukk with the dude but the double standards is getting outta hand
And Lupe has masterfully utilized more flows than Kendrick. Especially on the 2 new albums. Kendrick's flow was spotty on a few TPAB tracks.
Storytelling is Kendrick's best skill. And he's not better than Lupe in that either. (The skits tho
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But there's something else I gotta address...
I gave the man hell for his last 2 albums, gave it up to Kendrick, he held it down while Lupe was putting out weak shyt, etc.
The problem with y'all is you guys are trying to push this false perception that all of Lupe's music is straight abstract, confusing puzzle music when in fact his first 4 albums are all centered around straightforward topics. Tetsuo was the first album with a good bulk of the album being abstract. And EVEN then there are plenty of records that can be taken in at face value. That "puzzle" rap shyt you tryna push is just an excuse. Y'all couldn't nitpick the beats or the flow this time around so you had to reach for something. It's all good tho
when it comes to Kendrick nikkas never want to give other MCs props.
Going out your way to ridicule Lupe stans as nerds & lames when you got Kendrick stans making aliases posting up PITCHFORK and ANTHONY CACTANO reviews
gassed up about Kendrick getting a high Metacritic score and shyt 
Now THAT'S corny as fukk. I don't see NONE of you making theads calling out that corny ass shyt. Ain't NOBODY in the Booth pushing a Lupe agenda like these Kendrick stans. It's not even comparable. But I know how it goes, it's pick and choose.
At the very least you could say that Lupe's style isn't for you & leave it at that instead of downplaying the man.
I fukk with the dude but the double standards is getting outta hand
Lupe doesn't use big words. Matter of fact I hear Kendrick using bigger words than Lupe
And Lupe has masterfully utilized more flows than Kendrick. Especially on the 2 new albums. Kendrick's flow was spotty on a few TPAB tracks.
Storytelling is Kendrick's best skill. And he's not better than Lupe in that either. (The skits tho
)But there's something else I gotta address...
It's not our fault that you can't admit the greatness of a focused Lupe Fiasco
I gave the man hell for his last 2 albums, gave it up to Kendrick, he held it down while Lupe was putting out weak shyt, etc.
The problem with y'all is you guys are trying to push this false perception that all of Lupe's music is straight abstract, confusing puzzle music when in fact his first 4 albums are all centered around straightforward topics. Tetsuo was the first album with a good bulk of the album being abstract. And EVEN then there are plenty of records that can be taken in at face value. That "puzzle" rap shyt you tryna push is just an excuse. Y'all couldn't nitpick the beats or the flow this time around so you had to reach for something. It's all good tho
when it comes to Kendrick nikkas never want to give other MCs props. Going out your way to ridicule Lupe stans as nerds & lames when you got Kendrick stans making aliases posting up PITCHFORK and ANTHONY CACTANO reviews
gassed up about Kendrick getting a high Metacritic score and shyt Now THAT'S corny as fukk. I don't see NONE of you making theads calling out that corny ass shyt. Ain't NOBODY in the Booth pushing a Lupe agenda like these Kendrick stans. It's not even comparable. But I know how it goes, it's pick and choose. At the very least you could say that Lupe's style isn't for you & leave it at that instead of downplaying the man.
The only weakness Lupe really has with his music is that it's not personable. He doesn't really share personal shyt in his music. He gives the listener a different perspective on a lot of his content.
You're wrong with your criticism. Lupe's delivery, flow and the sound of his songs/melody has never been a weak point for him.