Lupe Fiasco - Tetsuo & Youth (Discussion thread)*Stream*

[SirBiatch]

Not my alias, but to be fair, Tron does have the undisputed worse verse on the entire album. Maybe even worse verse on any Lupe album.

TRON has to be one of the worst songs I've heard in a while. and Lupe stans were bigging it up. No one has answered the question I posed a few pages ago:

What the fukk does that moon chowder line mean?!

 

[Abstract83]

They're wack just like 99% of Lupe's discography. Dull beats, wack flows and meaningless, abstract lyrics. I understand that there's a market for that, but it's not a large one. Even heads will sleep.

Meaningless abstract lyrics? Half those songs are pretty forward to me. I get it if u dont like over ya head bars. Or shyt that may be a little too thought provoking but I think the message is pretty clear on this album. Is Chopper a dull beat if ur favorite rapper jumped on it? I have a even head i might even listen to the same rappers u do? Who do u listen too? And why would u listen to a rappers whole entire discography that u dont like? U gotta be a dude that likes some of his music if u wasted ur time listening to his discography. I hate Drakes music do u think i'm wasting my time listening to all of his albums?

 

[GoldenGlove]

TRON has to be one of the worst songs I've heard in a while. and Lupe stans were bigging it up. No one has answered the question I posed a few pages ago:

What the fukk does that moon chowder line mean?!

It's not hard to understand breh... it's just a simile.

The Moon surrounds us by rotating around the Earth, like when you put a spoon in some soup or chowder and stir it.

It's one line out of how many? It's not that serious

 

[Abstract83]

It's not hard to understand breh... it's just a simile.

The Moon surrounds us by rotating around the Earth, like when you put a spoon in some soup or chowder and stir it.

It's one line out of how many? It's not that serious

They gonna pull out lines to make a dumb point. Just to breh

 

[Microfracture]

I love this album, but it's too heavy for most. If someone told me they don't like it because they don't get it, then OK, I understand. None of the songs are remotely radio friendly.

Its not an easy listen the first time but its definitely worthwhile. Blur My Hands and Deliver are the only songs I could see them playing on radio.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Its not an easy listen the first time but its definitely worthwhile. Blur My Hands and Deliver are the only songs I could see them playing on radio.

No Scratches as well

 

[Microfracture]

No Scratches as well

Sounds like it could be about domestic abuse...."before we hit a wall, heartbreak, and it crashes, let's walk away with no scratches"

 

[Numpsay]

I liked the album from jump, despite its heaviness and how unnecessary I feel that is. However if I am being honest only one other person I know cares to hear the album and that is only because they heard it playing in my car. Other than that, no one really gives a shyt, not that I think that should count for anything.

 

[SirBiatch]

It's not hard to understand breh... it's just a simile.

The Moon surrounds us by rotating around the Earth, like when you put a spoon in some soup or chowder and stir it.

It's one line out of how many? It's not that serious

Are you sure? Because you just added info that wasn't there. "the rotation"

The line is literally: "The moon surrounds us like spoons moving chowder"

I understand the connection the dude is trying to make, and if you follow the next line in context, you know he's talking about stirring because he actually says 'stir'. [in case you didn't get it, lmao]

But the problem is that Lupe's writing is weak. The lines individually don't stand out on their own and make sense on their own.

This issue somehow flies over the head of your average Lupe fan and they think that people are too dumb to appreciate Lupe. When in fact, it's Lupe's weak writing that prevents people from fukking with him.

Add that to the fact that the Rap Genius explanation from a Lupe fan about homeless shelters serving chowder to explain that line just has me on the floor dying of laughter.

Y'all have no idea what he's even talking about. It's a "throw shyt at the wall and see what sticks" approach. You take whatever-you-want outta that verse type of approach.

And after all that 'moon chowder' vague shyt, Lupe's point is that the soul is stirred like soup? Is that it? I don't even know what he's talking about. And if that's the point, then why even mention the moon rotating? Isn't that an extra, unneeded simile? The soup stirring already makes the same connection. It's cluttered and verbose bullshyt.

I grew up in a different era with far stronger writing. I can't get into Lupe. Just like most nikkas in my era and before can't. It's too damn weak.

 

[SirBiatch]

Meaningless abstract lyrics? Half those songs are pretty forward to me. I get it if u dont like over ya head bars. Or shyt that may be a little too thought provoking but I think the message is pretty clear on this album. Is Chopper a dull beat if ur favorite rapper jumped on it? I have a even head i might even listen to the same rappers u do? Who do u listen too? And why would u listen to a rappers whole entire discography that u dont like? U gotta be a dude that likes some of his music if u wasted ur time listening to his discography. I hate Drakes music do u think i'm wasting my time listening to all of his albums?

Your post is emotional and going off at a bunch of tangents. Which one is it?

Am I too dumb to get Lupe?
Do I understand Lupe but I'm too much of a dikkrider of someone else to appreciate Lupe?
or am I a secret lover of Lupe who pretends to be a hater?

Please pick one and let's move forward.

And yes, Chopper is a shyt beat regardless of whether Nas, Jay-Z or Ghostface got on it

 

[GoldenGlove]

Are you sure? Because you just added info that wasn't there. "the rotation"

The line is literally: "The moon surrounds us like spoons moving chowder"

I understand the connection the dude is trying to make, and if you follow the next line in context, you know he's talking about stirring because he actually says 'stir'. [in case you didn't get it, lmao]

But the problem is that Lupe's writing is weak. The lines individually don't stand out on their own and make sense on their own.

This issue somehow flies over the head of your average Lupe fan and they think that people are too dumb to appreciate Lupe. When in fact, it's Lupe's weak writing that prevents people from fukking with him.

Add that to the fact that the Rap Genius explanation from a Lupe fan about homeless shelters serving chowder to explain that line just has me on the floor dying of laughter.

Y'all have no idea what he's even talking about. It's a "throw shyt at the wall and see what sticks" approach. You take whatever-you-want outta that verse type of approach.

And after all that 'moon chowder' vague shyt, Lupe's point is that the soul is stirred like soup? Is that it? I don't even know what he's talking about. And if that's the point, then why even mention the moon rotating? Isn't that an extra, unneeded simile? The soup stirring already makes the same connection. It's cluttered and verbose bullshyt.

I grew up in a different era with far stronger writing. I can't get into Lupe. Just like most nikkas in my era and before can't. It's too damn weak.

Do you know what a simile is? I connected the Moon rotating around us IE surrounding us to him comparing it to a spoon stirring chowder. You shouldn't have to go to Rap Genius to piece that together.

 

[Abstract83]

Your post is emotional and going off at a bunch of tangents. Which one is it?

Am I too dumb to get Lupe?
Do I understand Lupe but too much of a dikkrider of someone else to appreciate Lupe?
or am I a secret lover of Lupe who pretends to be a hater?

Please pick one and let's move forward.

And yes, Chopper is a shyt beat regardless of whether Nas, Jay-Z or Ghostface got on it

I'm not emotional I just asked questions. Stop tryna avoid them by getting emotional. I didn't say u were dumb. But if u want that title u can have it breh lol. Whose a dikk rider I said I hate his last 2 albums. Who said u were his lover? Lmao dude why are u questioning yourself?

 

[SirBiatch]

Do you know what a simile is? I connected the Moon rotating around us IE surrounding us to him comparing it to a spoon stirring chowder. You shouldn't have to go to Rap Genius to piece that together.

really? that's the best you can do?

I'm trying to explain to you that the line on its own is fukking meaningless (and pointless in the grand scheme of his overall point, whatever it is) and you're here trying to deflect on some "yo you stupid for even going to Rap Genius for that".

LOL. Keep reaching.

 

[SirBiatch]

I'm not emotional I just asked questions. Stop tryna avoid them by getting emotional. I didn't say u were dumb. But if u want that title u can have it breh lol. Whose a dikk rider I said I hate his last 2 albums. Who said u were his lover? Lmao dude why are u questioning yourself?

I'm not gonna have this back and forth where you, the defensive Lupe fan, calls me emotional and then I call you emotional back.... lol. It's so unnecessary.

I think I've provided more than enough analysis to show you that I'm looking at this stuff as objectively as possible. You guys are the ones with these short, deflecting responses.

All I'm saying is: stick to one question so we can stay on topic.

You're asking me why I don't fukk with Lupe. And I'm giving you clear nuggets of why I (and possibly others) don't fukk with Lupe. Do you have any responses to my critique of his writing style? The annoyance at how vague and non-vivid his lines are on their own?

let's talk about that.

 

[GoldenGlove]

really? that's the best you can do?

I'm trying to explain to you that the line on its own is fukking meaningless (and pointless in the grand scheme of his overall point, whatever it is) and you're here trying to deflect on some "yo you stupid for even going to Rap Genius for that".

LOL. Keep reaching.

So what is your point? You think it's a "filler" line? Right. It's meaningless and unnecessary? Or is it that you didn't get the line? Which is it?

You initially came in here asking what does the line mean. I explained what it meant. You then bring up Rap Genius Annotations for what is a straight forward simile. So yes, you can say it's a filler line to close out the bars he just dropped prior about Tony Montana and the Scarface metaphor, but all rappers do this. You're acting like that example is enough to validate your feeling that Lupe is a shytty writer which is ridiculous.

I'm not reaching at all, I answered your question, and then you went on and on how Lupe is a horrible writer. Which to a lot of people is simply not true.