Luke Skywalker vs The Evil Empire: Patriots vs Falcons Super Bowl 51 Thread

[KevCo]

Since pats fans so confident

Avi bet till the NBA PLAYOFFS start


Whose down pats fans

If anything its atl fans that are so confident....

 

[Steezy]

If anything its atl fans that are so confident....

If you scared say you scared

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

I'm not going to read back through the thread but if anyone thinks this is a clear victory for either side................................

Already pleasing I see
You better than this ADD

 

[PremierDaTruth]

Belichick is going to try to shorten the game, expect a lot of Blount and Lewis and some screens too, I really don't think he wants this going to a shootout. Tempo control is key in this game

 

[calh45]

DQ made a point of talking about that exact same thing and how now our guys are playing at their 40 time. All of our guys are young, can run and can hit. Beasley, Collins, Keanu, Poole, Deion Jones, Devondre Campbell, Alford. The way they've been coached, this defense is more decisive and faster than it was to start the season. I don't see Beli and McDaniels doing anything that will have these guys any less prepared in a way that they won't play at their normal speed.

A lot of the media missed this but DQ in his press conference on Monday said that he had already started to plan for the Super Bowl a few weeks ago based on how this team was coming together at the time. You better believe that he envisioned NE winning the AFC and has a plan to slow them down

Now I don't wanna call your coach a liar, but he's lying if he means the primary coaching staff. He may mean some of the video staff/scouts, but even then coaching staff understanding how to stop a team doesn't translate to the players being able to execute it on the field. I personally think they'll play better than everyone thinks they will against NE, but you asked how to coach against speed and my answer was from 5 minutes of thought (Beli will have more time) using basic football attacking principles (Beli definitely knows these) and I don't have the coverage/playing trends that he'll have access to. I guarantee you he'll find the cracks, but the issue is whether the athleticism is more than his roster/team can handle.

Patriots can't get to Matt without bringing extra guys. Matt has been elite against the pass rush. And if you're playing double coverage against Julio and bringing extra pressure against Matt you're gonna leave our fleet of skill position players in 1 on 1 matchups. It's a bad matchup for NE almost everywhere you look. You bring up good points, but I'm still struggling to see how they neutralize our speed.

Getting his eyes down doesn't necessarily mean hitting him, but just to get him more concerned about where people are coming from than looking up field. TV analysts always equate hitting the QB to getting his eyes more concerned about blitzes, but it's the confusion that's the problem. Matt Ryan is the delivery system for your entire offense. Shanny Jr's play design is excellent as well going back to Bob's first year so it won't be on him. The entire offense hinges on Matt's ability to recognize and read. If you confuse him then it negates all of that offensive talent. The game I'd point to this year would be the game in Philly as the point of this. I guarantee you that Beli is diving deep both in that game and the Denver game (Those are Matt's two lowest completion games by 10 points (53% and 54%). Whatever they did caused that offense to stall through Matt.......correct me if I'm wrong because this is from memory, but I'm pretty sure Julio played both of those.

 

[AVXL]

Now I don't wanna call your coach a liar, but he's lying if he means the primary coaching staff. He may mean some of the video staff/scouts, but even then coaching staff understanding how to stop a team doesn't translate to the players being able to execute it on the field. I personally think they'll play better than everyone thinks they will against NE, but you asked how to coach against speed and my answer was from 5 minutes of thought (Beli will have more time) using basic football attacking principles (Beli definitely knows these) and I don't have the coverage/playing trends that he'll have access to. I guarantee you he'll find the cracks, but the issue is whether the athleticism is more than his roster/team can handle.

DQ said he hadn't told any of his coaches but that he had already started preparing for the Super Bowl. DQ doesn't strike me as a liar listening to him speak. A little overzealous and over enthusiastic, but a liar, no.

As far as how to defend us, I know Beli is a defensive genius and they'll have a plan,mouth everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. I don't think NE has the overall quality defensively to stay with us on offense. I think our speed and physicality on offense will overwhelm NE

Getting his eyes down doesn't necessarily mean hitting him, but just to get him more concerned about where people are coming from than looking up field. TV analysts always equate hitting the QB to getting his eyes more concerned about blitzes, but it's the confusion that's the problem. Matt Ryan is the delivery system for your entire offense. Shanny Jr's play design is excellent as well going back to Bob's first year so it won't be on him. The entire offense hinges on Matt's ability to recognize and read. If you confuse him then it negates all of that offensive talent. The game I'd point to this year would be the game in Philly as the point of this. I guarantee you that Beli is diving deep both in that game and the Denver game (Those are Matt's two lowest completion games by 10 points (53% and 54%). Whatever they did caused that offense to stall through Matt.......correct me if I'm wrong because this is from memory, but I'm pretty sure Julio played both of those.

Yea Julio played both games. We won the DEN game decisively and the Philly game was a struggle for our offense, but I don't think NE has the defensive line talent to play us like either Denver or Philly played us. We'll see, but I see those games more as outliers based on Matt's overall body of work especially since the BYE (both of those games were before the BYE)

 

[Anbesa]

Belichick is going to try to shorten the game, expect a lot of Blount and Lewis and some screens too, I really don't think he wants this going to a shootout. Tempo control is key in this game

This. Patriots aren't gonna be able to keep up in a shoot out with the falcons. If they can have an opening drive like Seattle but actually get a stop or 2 and take a 10+ pt lead, then it could put pressure on the Falcons. We haven't really been in that position in a few weeks, playing from behind. If we start rolling early, idk if the Patriots have a chance. We take away the run game and force Brady to drop back, it plays in the Ds strength.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

raindrop, drop top, wait til these falcons flop flop

 

[Wild self]

Man fukk the Tom Brady, fukk Belichick, fukk the Cactriots as a staff, franchise and as muthafukking crew. If you are down with the Cactriots then fukk you too. Gronk fukk you too, Edelman fukk you too. fukk yall New England chowder eating mufukkas.

Real talk. fukk the Pats!

ATL better finish up the job that they failed to do 18 years ago.

 

[Vancouver Grizzly Fan]

beli is 6-4 vs no1 scoring offenses

brady is 2-0 vs matt ryan

no1 scoring defenses have a winning record over no1 scoring offenses of 5-1. only no1 scoring offense to win in that match up was joe montana throwing to jerry rice.

How would we compare this New England defense to the past super bowl winning defenses, like Broncos and Seahawks?

I find it interesting how Russell Wilson had no problems especially with that shaky Offensive line marching up and down the field against that defense. People love that statistical nonsense these days. They are number #1 in scoring defense but just how "good" is it. Is it good enough to slow down and stop Atlanta to win.

Blount is the key to New England's offense. He has to get touches, New England gets very pass happy but Blount needs the ball in this game.

 

[Wild self]

Weird predictiors

Since 1980, during election years if a Republican takes office the AFC representative wins. And if a democratic takes office the NFC champion wins.

This is true. That was why I was when the Broncos won the Superbowl cause I knew Trump would win.

In 2020 at Superbowl 54, the NFC better win.

 

[William F. Russell]

Real talk. fukk the Pats!

ATL better finish up the job that they failed to do 18 years ago.

Don't hold your breath

 

[Sly Cookin]

How would we compare this New England defense to the past super bowl winning defenses, like Broncos and Seahawks?

I find it interesting how Russell Wilson had no problems especially with that shaky Offensive line marching up and down the field against that defense. People love that statistical nonsense these days. They are number #1 in scoring defense but just how "good" is it. Is it good enough to slow down and stop Atlanta to win.

Blount is the key to New England's offense. He has to get touches, New England gets very pass happy but Blount needs the ball in this game.

Easy for that defense to look good facing Fitzpatrick, Cody Kessler, tannehil, and Brock osweiller. This #1 d vs # 1 offense narrative is lazy at best

 

[Nostalgic]

How Bill Belichick tried to talk Falcons out of drafting Julio Jones

Bill Belichick did his best five years ago to prevent the potential nightmare awaiting him and the Patriots in Super Bowl LI next week.

Belichick advised Falcons general manager and longtime scouting protégé Thomas Dimitroff against making a blockbuster draft-day trade with the Browns to acquire wide receiver Julio Jones, according to a 2013 book on Belichick.

Dimitroff made the deal anyway, trading five picks — including two first-rounders — to Cleveland for the right to leap 21 spots to No. 6 overall — and the rest is history that could come back to haunt Belichick in the Super Bowl in Houston.

Dimitroff took heat for the high cost of the deal when the Falcons slumped to 4-12 two years ago, but the Atlanta GM has been redeemed this year with Jones proving practically unstoppable in the Falcons’ run to the big game.

Just ask the Packers, who watched helplessly as the Alabama product caught nine passes for 180 yards and two touchdowns in last week’s 44-21 rout of Green Bay in the NFC Championship.

According to the book “War Room,” Belichick told Dimitroff the cost of moving so far up in the first round was too high.

The eventual price was steep, indeed: The Falcons sent a first-round, second-round and fifth-round picks in 2011 and a first- and fourth-round choice in 2012 as Dimitroff — fresh off an embarrassing, 48-21 home playoff rout by Green Bay three months earlier — pressed ahead despite Belichick’s warning.

“This may have been a once-in-a-career type move,” Dimitroff told the Boston Globe in 2013. “We felt that we were in the right place as an organization with the amount of veteran talent we had and the amount of youthful talent we had and the quarterback we
had in place. It was a time that was right for us to get ourselves a very explosive player.”

The deal looks even better for the Falcons in hindsight when compared with what the Browns got out of it.

One of the five picks was traded, while the four Cleveland kept were used on quarterback Brandon Weeden, wide receiver Greg Little, defensive lineman Phil Taylor and fullback Owen Marecic. Only Weeden is still active, and the other three have all been out of football since 2014.

Jones, meanwhile, has been a four-time Pro Bowl selection, a two-time first team All-Pro pick while leading the NFL in catches, receiving yards and average receiving yards per game in 2015 and in average receiving yards per game this year.

That prompted Belichick to label Jones “a complete player” and is causing Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia some sleepless nights.

“He’s probably just one of the most dynamic players in the league,” Patricia said on a conference call Tuesday. “I usually don’t wind up comparing him to other people, I wind up comparing other people to him just because of his skill set and his abilities.

“Just his ability to get the ball, get vertical into the defense towards the end zone, stiff-arm a defender, break a tackle, run away from guys — he’s such a dynamic player in that aspect that he can give you a lot of problems.”

http://nypost.com/2017/01/24/how-bill-belichick-tried-to-talk-falcons-out-of-drafting-julio-jones/

 

[Raquinotj]

You're right our defense had no right to be on the field with that baaaad man Rodgers

aaron rodgers sure did his thing...

You obviously ignoring the fact that the Falcons Ranked 27 out of 32 teams in scoring Defense and 32 out of 32 in pass defense. You forget that Aaron Rodgers had a wounded WR unit and a WR acting as a Running back. I take Blount/White/Lewis any day.

A couple things:

Since the bye, this Falcons D has been holding teams to 21 or less, this is a young, improving defense that has gotten stops and forced turnovers like we did yesterday and vs SEA. This is a Dan Quinn led defense. Keep in mind that DQ will now be in 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls. He is gonna have an excellent game plan on how to stop Brady and your offense

And as for stopping Julio, we have had games where Julio has had 1 catch (at NO), 3 catches, 4 catches and still won. We can and have won all season without relying on Julio. What's your plan on stopping Sanu, Gabriel, Coleman, Freeman, Hooper, Aldrick Robinson, Justin hardy, etc? This is a top 10 offense EVER, try to stop Julio and another weapon emerges

Falcons 34-27 (Falcons are undefeated when we score 30 or more this season)

Patriots hanging 35 on better defenses in cold/shytty weather. Gonna be limited to 27 by one of the worse defenses in the league with 2 weeks to prepare a game plan. We were ranked #3 in offense with our backup QBs playing in 4 games and the most powerful offensive Weapon (Gronkowski) out for most of the season. I like the underdog role we playing in the coli though. We'll do our talking on the field in February 5th.