Luke Skywalker vs The Evil Empire: Patriots vs Falcons Super Bowl 51 Thread

Who Will Win Super Bowl 51

  • Patriots

    Votes: 81 39.5%
  • Falcons

    Votes: 124 60.5%

  • Total voters
    205
  • Poll closed .

Axum Ezana

Driving in the fast lane
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
14,323
Reputation
2,616
Daps
29,605
beli is 6-4 vs no1 scoring offenses:lupe:

brady is 2-0 vs matt ryan:lupe:

no1 scoring defenses have a winning record over no1 scoring offenses of 5-1. only no1 scoring offense to win in that match up was joe montana throwing to jerry rice.:lupe:


 

AVXL

Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
40,851
Reputation
645
Daps
76,393
Reppin
Of course the ATL
You make speed think. They're fast, but young and once you make them start 2nd guessing it gets a lot easier to attack them. Those 4.4's and 4.5's start playing like 4.7's and 4.8's. Lots of misdirection and changes of tendencies in the beginning on offense. Not just PA pass. They can recover from a play fake and NE doesn't have the speed on offense to make them pay without Gronk. Start with out of character formations. Lining up Edelman in the back field. Two back sets with Blount and Lewis. Splitting Martellus out one side with a quad set on the other side. From there it's about fake screens or double screens for the first few drives and the fear of being caught slipping will takeover. (Hogan didn't do anything special. The Steelers secondary just let him run wide ass open and weren't reading their keys)

DQ made a point of talking about that exact same thing and how now our guys are playing at their 40 time. All of our guys are young, can run and can hit. Beasley, Collins, Keanu, Poole, Deion Jones, Devondre Campbell, Alford. The way they've been coached, this defense is more decisive and faster than it was to start the season. I don't see Beli and McDaniels doing anything that will have these guys any less prepared in a way that they won't play at their normal speed.

A lot of the media missed this but DQ in his press conference on Monday said that he had already started to plan for the Super Bowl a few weeks ago based on how this team was coming together at the time. You better believe that he envisioned NE winning the AFC and has a plan to slow them down

On defense it's basically the same thing except they're going to be playing the tricks on Matty. The point for them won't be to negate the speed of the WR/mismatches that ATL has with their RBs with NE's LB's. The point is to make Matt move his eyes from downfield to wherever he thinks the rush is coming from. All of those weapons are nice, but they're all reliant on Matt to be the point man of it all. While he's been good this year we don't know how he'll react in a game this big if they're not scoring like he's used to the past 9 weeks.

The margin for error for NE is a lot slimmer, but they're smart enough to know how to find cracks and apply pressure. It'll need to be all about jedi mind tricks to cause hesitation because if the Falcons get up two scores and gain that confidence it's gonna be bad if NE gets one dimensional and Brady needs to throw the ball down the field.

Patriots can't get to Matt without bringing extra guys. Matt has been elite against the pass rush. And if you're playing double coverage against Julio and bringing extra pressure against Matt you're gonna leave our fleet of skill position players in 1 on 1 matchups. It's a bad matchup for NE almost everywhere you look. You bring up good points, but I'm still struggling to see how they neutralize our speed.
 

AVXL

Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
40,851
Reputation
645
Daps
76,393
Reppin
Of course the ATL
From Tom Brady looking to become the first quarterback to win five Super Bowl titles to Matt Ryan seeking to give Atlanta its first, there are plenty of numbers that will get a lot of attention leading up to the Big Game.

Here’s a look at some others that fans might not be as familiar with:

BEST VS. BEST: This marks the sixth Super Bowl matching the NFL’s highest-scoring team (Atlanta) against the team that allowed the fewest points (New England) during the regular season. The top defense won four of those previous five matchups, including Seattle over Denver three years ago. The only time the top offense came out on top was in the 1989 season when San Francisco topped Denver.

ADVERTISEMENT
FAST STARTERS: The Falcons have set an NFL record by scoring a touchdown on eight straight opening drives. That figures to be tougher against a Patriots team that was second best in the league this year, allowing just 16 points on opening drives with the only TD coming for Buffalo on Oct. 2. The Patriots have allowed an average of just 19 yards on those drives with half of their opponents failing to generate even a single first down.

FRONT RUNNERS: The Patriots haven’t trailed in a game since Nov. 27 against the Jets. Brady threw a game-winning TD pass to Malcolm Mitchell with 1:56 remaining in a 22-17 victory that day and New England has gone 421:56 without being behind in a game. New England trailed by 10 points at one point in that game, their largest deficit of the season with Brady active. If it’s hard to take a lead against the Patriots, it’s even harder to come back. New England has won 57 of the past 58 games when leading after three quarters with the lone loss coming last season to Brock Osweiler and Denver.

THIRD TO NONE: Forcing an offense into third down is usually a good step for a defense. Doing it against Brady or Ryan isn’t much help. Including the playoffs, Brady leads the NFL with a 132.8 rating on third down, with Ryan next among starters at 120.6. Brady has converted on 51.8 percent of his third-down passes and Ryan is at 49.7 percent. Ryan has been even better of late, with a 141 rating and first downs on 59.3 percent of his throws the past six games.

BETWEEN THE HASHES: Ryan has been nearly unstoppable when targeting the middle of the field in the regular season and playoffs, according to Sportradar. He has completed 86 of 117 passes between the hashes for 1,230 yards, nine TDs and no interceptions and a 132.8 passer rating. Ryan is 13 for 14 for 138 yards throwing down the middle in the playoffs.


Terry Bradshaw speaks to Matt Ryan and Julio Jones after the Atlanta Falcons defeated the Green Bay Packers in the NFC Championship Game on Sunday. —Rob Carr / Getty Images
GO DEEP: Ryan also was the most efficient deep thrower in the NFL in the regular season and playoffs, according to Sportradar, going 30 for 63 for 1,122 yards, 10 TDs, no interceptions and a league-best 133.4 rating on throws at least 21 yards downfield. The Patriots were the second-best defense against the deep pass, allowing just 28.2 percent to be completed with only three TDs, five interceptions and a 47.5 rating that was the second lowest.

BEAT THE HEAT: Teams blitzing the Patriots and Falcons have had little success this season, with Brady leading the NFL with a 124.3 rating against the blitz, according to Sportradar, and Ryan ranking second at 122.0. The Steelers tried to combat that by rushing three on 19 of Brady’s pass attempts last week, but he completed 13 of those for 137 yards.


WATCH THE FAKE: No team ran play-action as much as Atlanta this season, doing it on 26 percent of offensive plays in the regular season, according to game-charting data from Football Outsiders. The Falcons averaged 10.4 yards per play on play-action, compared to 7.8 on other plays. New England faced the second-lowest percentage of play-action plays at 13 percent, allowing 8 yards per play, compared to 6.1 yards on other plays.

COMEBACK KIDS: Brady has led the Patriots on a game-winning, fourth-quarter drive in all four of his Super Bowl wins, rallying from 10 points down to beat Seattle two years ago, overcoming a one-point deficit against Carolina in 2004 and leading tiebreaking drives against St. Louis (2001) and Philadelphia (2005). Brady came up short in two last-minute desperation drives in both losses to the Giants, but still has a 50-37 career record in game-winning and comeback attempts, according to Scott Kacsmar of Football Outsiders. Brady has the best winning percentage among active players with at least 10 attempts, with Ryan not far behind in fourth place with a 34-37 mark.

SNEAKY TOM: Brady has been one of the best QBs at converting sneaks in his career, getting first downs on 98 of 108 (90.7 percent) runs on third or fourth-and-1 in his career, compared to a league-wide rate of 69.8 percent in that span. After being nearly perfect (66 for 67) from 2004-12, Brady has been more ordinary of late at 21 for 28 the past four years.

BIG-PLAY THREATS: It’s no surprise that Julio Jones is the NFL’s most dangerous big-play receiver. His 31 catches this season of at least 20 yards lead the NFL. But he hasn’t been able to match the far less heralded Chris Hogan in the postseason. Hogan has eight catches of at least 20 yards in New England’s two playoff wins and needs just one more in the Super Bowl to tie Larry Fitzgerald (2008) and Greg Jennings (2010) for the most in a single postseason since 2000.
 

The_Sheff

A Thick Sauce N*gga
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
25,316
Reputation
4,714
Daps
114,883
Reppin
ATL to MEM
All this talk about stopping NE passing game, I'm most worried about stopping Blount. He is a load to take down and I'm not sure our front 7 can handle it.
 

AVXL

Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
40,851
Reputation
645
Daps
76,393
Reppin
Of course the ATL
All this talk about stopping NE passing game, I'm most worried about stopping Blount. He is a load to take down and I'm not sure our front 7 can handle it.

Blount and Lewis could present some issues. You're probably lookin at playing Ra'shede Hageman & Tyson Jackson more in rotation with Grady Jarrett & Babineaux to slow them down. But it's been a while since we've been tested like that in the run game, the last great runner we played this season was what Arizona and David Johnson? We got yards but we demolished them 38-19. Before that I'd say the Philly game we just got steamrolled on the ground in the first half by Ryan Matthews. NE is gonna be very crafty with their formations and sets on offense but they gotta win the line of scrimmage. Not sure how great that NE O line is for them to line up and run it on us like that
 

AVXL

Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
40,851
Reputation
645
Daps
76,393
Reppin
Of course the ATL
Pro Football Focus had the top 3 players in the Super Bowl as Brady, Julio and then Matt. Could you argue that 4 of the top 5 are Falcons?

1. Brady
2. Julio
3. Matt Ryan
4. Vic Beasley
5. Devonta Freeman

Am I wrong? :ld:

Who is the next best player on the Patriots who's eligible to play? Malcolm Butler? Edelman?
 

Nostalgic

Superstar
Joined
Jul 31, 2014
Messages
14,779
Reputation
2,385
Daps
53,090
Don't watch this Super Bowl if you're a Cleveland Browns fan.


Bill Belicheck - Former Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns (1991 - 1995)

Kyle Shanahan - Former offensive coordinator for the Browns (2014)

Thomas Dimtroff (GM of The Falcons) - College Scout for the Browns (1998 - 2001)

Scott Piloi (GM of The Falcons) - Personnel assistant for the Browns (1992 - 1995)

Julio Jones - Falcons trade up 6 picks with the Cleveland Browns in the 2011 draft to pick him

Dion Lewis - Cut by the Browns in 2014, Patriots sign him in 2015

Jabaal Sheard - Cut by the Browns in 2014, Patriots sign him in 2015

Taylor Gabriel - Released by the Brown in 2015, Falcons sign him in 2016

Alex Mack - Cut by the Browns in 2015, Falcons sign him in 2016
 

William F. Russell

11x Champion; 5x MVP; 1st Black Coach
Supporter
Joined
Oct 5, 2014
Messages
20,063
Reputation
6,805
Daps
50,323
Pro Football Focus had the top 3 players in the Super Bowl as Brady, Julio and then Matt. Could you argue that 4 of the top 5 are Falcons?

1. Brady
2. Julio
3. Matt Ryan
4. Vic Beasley
5. Devonta Freeman

Am I wrong? :ld:

Who is the next best player on the Patriots who's eligible to play? Malcolm Butler? Edelman?

Blount, Butler, McCourty, Hightower, Trey Flowers are all arguably better than Beasley and/or Freeman.
 

AVXL

Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
40,851
Reputation
645
Daps
76,393
Reppin
Of course the ATL
You're seriously underrating the rest.

No unbiased person would say that Blount, Trey Flowers or Hightower are better than Devonta or Beasley. No one. That's not to say they're bad players but they're not better than them
 

Steezy

Career 13 ppg scorer
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
23,754
Reputation
1,574
Daps
55,115
Reppin
Old Atlanta
Since pats fans so confident:jawalrus:

Avi bet till the NBA PLAYOFFS start:sas2:


Whose down pats fans
 
Top