Loving who you love vs. emphasizing black love

[mcdivit85]

Not gonna lie, some of the responses in here hurt. I was never asking for what I should do, just interested in people's reactions because I'd rather have the convo here than in real life.

But yeah... I have to CHOOSE. Damn. People calling me a c00n and shyt in reps. Like I've never dated black women or turned down black women of similar value just due to blackness. I underestimated this section of the site.

Some of y'all are really willing to forsake love/happiness for the cause. A part of me respects that but a part of me doesn't understand it. Just hope you're as about it in other facets of life.

Bro, stop with this pity party. You're a hypocrite plain and simple. And now that people have called you out on it, you want to flip it on others as if they're not experiencing the same level of life and love as you. You're an example of Cognitive Dissonance in the flesh.

Oh, you're chick is so special that only she can give you this happiness? No black woman could do that for you? Ok, I see. Be with who you want to be with, but don't intimate that she alone, with her non-black self, has the key to making you happy. You choose who you fall in love with.

You, and others like you, claim to be pro-black yet don't live out the pro-blackness in your home or your bed. The foundational tenet of pro-black is a strong black community. Community has its foundations in the family. Family has its foundations in the man and woman who create said family. Well, we can't have a strong BLACK community when we have one black partner and one non-black partner filling the various homes of the "community." That dilutes the mission and just as importantly, dilutes the resources that would be attributed to the offspring of said family, which would be used to build and sustain the community.

A united black man and woman creates a black family. Said man and woman create a legacy by instilling the ideas of a strong black family into their children. When other black men and women do this, while simultaneously working with other black families to create black community ownership via commerce and politics, they create strong black communities. Where does a non-black person fall into this? How does their presence help that goal? It doesn't.

But do what you will. No one will notice. The only black people that are needed are the black people who want to be part of the above solution. Everyone else is dead weight.

Peace

 

[mcdivit85]

you ain't gon be there for me either breh

Because we don't have a community. But people like you help the situation that you decry by not wanting to help create said community.

Good luck with non-blacks coming to your aid though

They have such a great track record of that kind of thing

Peace

 

[mcdivit85]

This was Malcolm before he met Elijah Muhammad but yes he got caught stealing w/ one of his buddies and three white women who were cohorts with him, hence the reason he was sent to prison.

Anywho he changed his views on the black family structure as he got older and of course post Mecca he changed his views radically.

Out of context and misleading.

Malcolm did change some of his views post hajj:

- he became an Orthodox Muslim
- he said he prayed with men of all colors while on Hajj, which would have been unavoidable anyway
- he said he would have used white people who wanted to help by having them attack racism in their own homes/communities instead of turning them away

He did NOT become an integrationist. He did NOT accept whites into his organization. He did NOT change his belief on blacks needing to organize financially and politically for their own self interest.

What radically changed about his views on the black family? Provide quotes please.

Peace

 

[live it to the limit]

If you want to date/marry non-black, then go ahead. But don't use God as your excuse. That's on you and you alone. YOU have made a conscious decision to be open to non-black men because YOU haven't gotten what YOU wanted.

It's funny how God didn't send you Tyrone but now he might be sending you Todd. Don't make God an accessory to bed wenching.

Peace

What? I'm of the belief that yes, God can through divine favor send you who you need as well as take away those who you don't in your life. It has nothing to do with wenching, Todd, Tyrone or whatever your talking about. I said I wouldn't turn away a blessing of a good partner whether he be black, white, or blue. If something is already chosen for me by God then there's nothing I can do about it anyway
I swear, sometimes it seems that people on here want to be combative for no reason.

 

[mcdivit85]

What? I'm of the belief that yes, God can through divine favor send you who you need as well as take away those who you don't in your life. It has nothing to do with wenching, Todd, Tyrone or whatever your talking about. I said I wouldn't turn away a blessing of a good partner whether he be black, white, or blue. If something is already chosen for me by God then there's nothing I can do about it anyway
I swear, sometimes it seems that people on here want to be combative for no reason.

That's church n#gga speak. All I'm saying is, God may or may not be sending you many things. Either way. you chose what you accept or don't from those things.

Just like you accepting Todd is about your choice to accept. Not necessarily what God may or may not send your way. You choose what you accept.

Peace

 

[Scott Larock]

Because we don't have a community. But people like you help the situation that you decry by not wanting to help create said community.

Good luck with non-blacks coming to your aid though

They have such a great track record of that kind of thing

Peace

Tell thst to the homeless nikkas on the street, the nikkas in jail due to being broke and alone, the hoes who pop out kids then try to take their kid to a better provider and shytting on the baby daddy. The broke men who were casted off by family, single. Mothers raising men with a bible instead of a career path and a purpose.

We have no culture nor community, you speak for a few who did everything right, in that sense I agree but for nikkas out here down on their luck, women shytting on them, family shytting on them, no job prospects, and that white girl come along.

fukk thst unity shyt breh, sorry

For the nikka that's young and on the right path I understand completely but most of us ain't and we trying to get right.

We don't help each other but you crying unity shytting on broke nikkas

 

[Reality]

Bro, stop with this pity party. You're a hypocrite plain and simple. And now that people have called you out on it, you want to flip it on others as if they're not experiencing the same level of life and love as you. You're an example of Cognitive Dissonance in the flesh.

Oh, you're chick is so special that only she can give you this happiness? No black woman could do that for you? Ok, I see. Be with who you want to be with, but don't intimate that she alone, with her non-black self, has the key to making you happy. You choose who you fall in love with.

You, and others like you, claim to be pro-black yet don't live out the pro-blackness in your home or your bed. The foundational tenet of pro-black is a strong black community. Community has its foundations in the family. Family has its foundations in the man and woman who create said family. Well, we can't have a strong BLACK community when we have one black partner and one non-black partner filling the various homes of the "community." That dilutes the mission and just as importantly, dilutes the resources that would be attributed to the offspring of said family, which would be used to build and sustain the community.

A united black man and woman creates a black family. Said man and woman create a legacy by instilling the ideas of a strong black family into their children. When other black men and women do this, while simultaneously working with other black families to create black community ownership via commerce and politics, they create strong black communities. Where does a non-black person fall into this? How does their presence help that goal? It doesn't.

But do what you will. No one will notice. The only black people that are needed are the black people who want to be part of the above solution. Everyone else is dead weight.

Peace

This is such a ridiculous argument. Maybe we have different views on modern women as a whole, but my perspective on this is that women like my girl are hard to come by. In 2015, in my opinion, it's hard to come across women who are great looking, take care of themselves AND are also grounded, loyal, humble, etc. And that's irrespective of race. I guess what this all boils down to is your primary objective for getting married. My objective is not so cut, dry, and tactical as building a strong black community. My objective is to build a family and a life with someone I love, and I'm not willing to put that at ris . Maybe that's selfish, maybe not. Approaching marriage from any other mindset is a asking for failure in my mind. Would it have been nice if she were black? Sure. But she's not and that's not important.

Also, for everyone asking why I even made the thread, just thinking about things. It's that simple. I'm not looking for a pass or anything, I'm just always interested in perspectives.

 

[ViShawn]

I will say this in regards to unity that every brother or sister is not on your side or has your best interest in mind.

 

[Scott Larock]

I will say this in regards to unity that every brother or sister is not on your side or has your best interest in mind.

c00ns been around since the beginning of time, they ain't going nowhere.

Pride comes first over anything else. Thst same sister thst thinks black men view her as ugly is the same one pranting around with white men being happy.

Ain't no big happy family here, everyone gonna do what's best for them regardless.

Pro black, back to Africa nikkas same ones shytting on those who don't have your credentials. Can't take yall seriously when your in love with the cacs gold the same way you claim they are in love their own gold.

 

[philmonroe]

I will say this in regards to unity that every brother or sister is not on your side or has your best interest in mind.

Man this is coli talking dikkhead points as far as I'm concerned. shyt people don't get along with every black in their family, neighborhood, gym, wherever, but always talking this mythical "unity" shyt. nikkas sound stupid and I know most probably only kick this shyt online. Most people ain't thinking of other races as allies but they ain't thinking of their own as allies either regardless of race. Its all about your family, friends and that's it. Dudes out here like they have some great concern about everybody are full of,shyt. Outside basic stuff (don't want people hurt or anything negative to happen to them) if you aren't family, friends, I don't really care about you. I don't say that in a mean way just in a realistically I have limited time so I'm going to care about the closest people that have helped me become who I am way.

 

[Moshe.]

That's good and all but simply put is irrational from an evolutionary standpoint. Altruism for your kind is very important. Basic, "primitive" animals get it and act on it everyday. They have a paradigm that they revolve around in order to maintain their species/kind. Then again, whites get it. Certain groups of whites despise one another but when it comes to preserving the white power structure, they are all lockstep moving forward. Asians understand this as well, and Hispanics are understanding it. Blacks still on stupid, "all about the family fukk everybody else" nonsense.

 

[mcdivit85]

This is such a ridiculous argument. Maybe we have different views on modern women as a whole, but my perspective on this is that women like my girl are hard to come by. In 2015, in my opinion, it's hard to come across women who are great looking, take care of themselves AND are also grounded, loyal, humble, etc. And that's irrespective of race. I guess what this all boils down to is your primary objective for getting married. My objective is not so cut, dry, and tactical as building a strong black community. My objective is to build a family and a life with someone I love, and I'm not willing to put that at ris . Maybe that's selfish, maybe not. Approaching marriage from any other mindset is a asking for failure in my mind. Would it have been nice if she were black? Sure. But she's not and that's not important.

Also, for everyone asking why I even made the thread, just thinking about things. It's that simple. I'm not looking for a pass or anything, I'm just always interested in perspectives.

I, like others, understand that you want to marry who you want to marry. And that you're doing this irrespective of your ideas of being "pro-black." The problem is, if you're pro-black, then your marriage is a public example of how serious you are about the ideology you claim to espouse. When taking on a group issue such as white supremacy under the banner of being pro-black, individual desires are secondary to the needs of the black group.

The black group needs strong families that:
- celebrate blackness in spite of said blackness being decried in society
- create the next generation of black boys and girls who will take the baton
- pass down wealth to black children who will build on that wealth, marry another black person, create black children and pass down even more wealth
- use said wealth to buy politicians and create reform that directly benefits and enriches the black population
- rinse....wash....repeat until we can do bigger and better things

Let me state here that being pro-black is not to say that you don't truly want to marry a black person anyway, title or not. In fact, if you're begrudgingly marrying a black person, then you shouldn't do it anyway. You're only doing yourself and that person harm since your self-hate is so strong that it cannot contain itself. Not referring to you in particular on this one.....I'm generally speaking.

The fact that her not being black is not important says everything about what you really believe. You understand that you, as a black person, are living under white supremacy. Every black person understands that they live in an unfair system based on race. That doesn't mean they're pro-black. Hence, it doesn't mean you are either.

I think you should not give this a second thought. You have created a false dichotomy in your mind in reference to being pro-black, which has caused you to have second thoughts about who you're choosing to marry. Well, your actions and ideologies show that you're not pro-black, so you have nothing to worry about. Marry your latina girlfriend and be happy.

Peace

 

[Yup]

This is such a ridiculous argument. Maybe we have different views on modern women as a whole, but my perspective on this is that women like my girl are hard to come by. In 2015, in my opinion, it's hard to come across women who are great looking, take care of themselves AND are also grounded, loyal, humble, etc. And that's irrespective of race. I guess what this all boils down to is your primary objective for getting married. My objective is not so cut, dry, and tactical as building a strong black community. My objective is to build a family and a life with someone I love, and I'm not willing to put that at ris . Maybe that's selfish, maybe not. Approaching marriage from any other mindset is a asking for failure in my mind. Would it have been nice if she were black? Sure. But she's not and that's not important.

Also, for everyone asking why I even made the thread, just thinking about things. It's that simple. I'm not looking for a pass or anything, I'm just always interested in perspectives.

People arent against you being with non black person people are against people who claim being problack but always seem to be with a non black person whike they harp on white supremacy. Why do people want to identify with this label when your life contradicts its premise. Thats what i dont understand. Regardless, you are a black person so you will have a say on that but besides that but besides keep living your life. Your life doesnt stop because people dont consider you problack. Fin.

 

[OneManGang]

Im legit dead at this nikka letting random usernames on a message board make him sad and got him questioning his relationship and his genes and shyt

 

[Yup]

Im legit dead at this nikka letting random usernames on a message board make him sad and got him questioning his relationship and his genes and shyt

No one is...he is doing that to himself.