Lord Finesse Is Suing Mac Miller For $10 Million

[jwinfield]

U need to stop listening to Hip Hop if U think choppin a 2 or 3 sec snippet is the same as taking an entire beat!!

Legally though, both are copyright infringement.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Legally though, both are copyright infringement.

And...let the people who LF sampled come after him.

If Mac wants to take people's shyt and get away with it, find a time machine and go back to the early/mid 90s when U could get away with that shyt. Well he wouldn't get away with out right taking a whole song because well that's not creative.

Cats are acting like Lord Finesse made the beat a few yrs ago.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

He didn't make money off of it, so what's the problem?

I hear nikkas be eatin real good off youtube videos plus somebody said the video was on mtv also If thats the case he made money! Maybe alot

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

No one came after LF, that's on them. U act like LF never had clear a sample. When he had to he did or the song wouldn't be released. LF would be a hyprocrite if the OGs came after him for the sample and he didn't pay up or give the credit when asked.

Whether someone went after him or not is irrelevant in this argument. He was upset someone took some of his work with out crediting them....that very beat that was taken sample an artist he never cleared it with.

Hes a hypocrite because he wanted Mac Miller to clear the beat with him and get his royalities yet he didn't do the same thing, on the same beat, for a sample he used. Its really that simple.

U need to stop listening to Hip Hop if U think choppin a 2 or 3 sec snippet is the same as taking an entire beat!!

Homey, in the context of what Lord Finesse is saying, its the same thing. Its copyright infringement. The same thing his suit is based on. Whether you download a whole mp3 or just part of it, you are still taking part in copyright infringement.

If U take someone's shyt they have a right to come after U. If the OG sampled artist wants to come after LF, they have a right to. That doesn't change that FACT that Mac took an entire song that LF physically made and caked off it.

They sure do and I am not saying Lord Finesse can't go after him. I am saying it makes him look bad for doing so.

Again, you can't get mad at someone not clearing the use of your work when you didn't do the very same thing.

 

[daze23]

lord finnesse got a lwayer?

pretty sure he does. back in the 90's he sued AT&T for using the same song, and won

 

[Rakim Allah]

Whether someone went after him or not is irrelevant in this argument. He was upset someone took some of his work with out crediting them....that very beat that was taken sample an artist he never cleared it with.

Hes a hypocrite because he wanted Mac Miller to clear the beat with him and get his royalities yet he didn't do the same thing, on the same beat, for a sample he used. Its really that simple.



Homey, in the context of what Lord Finesse is saying, its the same thing. Its copyright infringement. The same thing his suit is based on. Whether you download a whole mp3 or just part of it, you are still taking part in copyright infringement.



They sure do and I am not saying Lord Finesse can't go after him. I am saying it makes him look bad for doing so.

Again, you can't get mad at someone not clearing the use of your work when you didn't do the very same thing.

It's not 1995...U have to clear sh1t.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this because of your lack respect towards the art of sampling and orgins of Hip Hop. U keep comparing a creative chop to outright complete jack. If Mac sampled from LF's song instead of taking the entire beat we wouldn't be having this convo.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[daze23]

Legally though, both are copyright infringement.

under a certain amount of time is 'fair use' (I think)

 

[StraxStrax]

Why are you guys still posting in this thread.
Lord Finesse is bitter and old.
Mac Miller is wack and young.

/thread

 

[spliz]

It's not 1995...U have to clear sh1t.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this because of your lack respect towards the art of sampling and orgins of Hip Hop. U keep comparing a creative chop to outright complete jack. If Mac sampled from LF's song instead of taking the entire beat we wouldn't be having this convo.

we very well could have..cause Lord Finesse could get mad and be like...U didn't clear my sample and STILL sue the nikka..lol..honestly..the way he's handling this shyt is more disrespectful than anything..shyt is ALL about business..NOTHING to do with Hip Hop...Joey Bada$$ got a few tracks from Lord Finesse on his mixtape that JUST dropped a few weeks ago...he aint goin after him...I think it's fukked up to single ONE man out for some shyt that MILLIONS of rappers been doin forever...ONE thing tho..I DO think Mac Miller should have made it CLEAR where that beat came from...and if the song was that crazy in demand..maybe tried to reach out to Finesse and maybe bring him on stage or some shyt...especially when he got the resources to do so...

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

It's not 1995...U have to clear sh1t.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this because of your lack respect towards the art of sampling and orgins of Hip Hop. U keep comparing a creative chop to outright complete jack. If Mac sampled from LF's song instead of taking the entire beat we wouldn't be having this convo.

It has absolutely nothing to do with my 'lack of respect towards the art of sampling' and everything to do with the fact you can't ask someone to do something that you wouldn't do yourself. That is hypocritical. How could any hip hop head be against sampling, just stop with the extra.

When it comes to lawsuits breh, there is no such thing as a 'creative chop' it is copyright infringement. We are talking about a LAWSUIT right? If Mac sampled LF's song and didn't clear it, we would be talking about the same exact thing IF he choose to go after him. You know why? Because sampling with out clearing is copyright infringement just like taking the whole beat. Again, just because you only download the first minute of a song illegally doesn't mean you are not committing copyright infringement because you didn't get to the 3 minute mark.

 

[jwinfield]

If Mac sampled from LF's song instead of taking the entire beat we wouldn't be having this convo.

Legally Mac would still have to clear it if he was gonna be performing it or putting it on an album for sale.

Whether it's the whole song or a 2-3 second loop, you're still taking someone's work and doing something with it.

under a certain amount of time is 'fair use' (I think)

Nope

http://www.legalzoom.com/intellectual-property-rights/copyrights/beasties-godfather-funky

But check it out: in 2005, the Sixth Circuit rocked the bells of the Ninth Circuit’s decision, and ruled N.W.A.’s three-note sample of Funkadelic’s “Get Off Your Ass and Jam”—one-half the number of notes of Newton’s used by the Beastie Boys—was copyright infringement. This, despite the fact that the three notes were played in the form of a single, two-second chord. This meant that, in the Sixth Circuit, there was no de minimis defense for sampling: use was use, and use required that a licensing fee be paid.

http://fsnews.findlaw.com/cases/6th/04a0297p.html

That leads us directly to the issue in this case. If you cannot pirate the whole sound recording, can you “lift” or “sample” something less than the whole. Our answer to that question is in the negative.

Section 114(b) provides that “[t]he exclusive right of the owner of copyright in a sound recording under clause (2) of section 106 is limited to the right to prepare a derivative work in which the actual sounds fixed in the sound recording are rearranged, remixed, or otherwise altered in sequence or quality.” In other words, a sound recording owner has the exclusive right to “sample” his own recording. We find much to recommend this interpretation

Get a license or do not sample. We do not see this as stifling creativity in any significant way. It must be remembered that if an artist wants to incorporate a “riff” from another work in his or her recording, he is free to duplicate the sound of that “riff” in the studio.

even when a small part of a sound recording is sampled, the part taken is something of value

 

[Rakim Allah]

It has absolutely nothing to do with my 'lack of respect towards the art of sampling' and everything to do with the fact you can't ask someone to do something that you wouldn't do yourself. That is hypocritical. How could any hip hop head be against sampling, just stop with the extra.

When it comes to lawsuits breh, there is no such thing as a 'creative chop' it is copyright infringement. We are talking about a LAWSUIT right? If Mac sampled LF's song and didn't clear it, we would be talking about the same exact thing IF he choose to go after him. You know why? Because sampling with out clearing is copyright infringement just like taking the whole beat. Again, just because you only download the first minute of a song illegally doesn't mean you are not committing copyright infringement because you didn't get to the 3 minute mark.

But LF didn't go after Mac for sampling his song because he outright took the entire beat.

But the OG sampled artist hasn't come after LF...yet.

We can only deal with what has actually happened. LF creatively choped a 2 sec snippet of a song in 1995 when it was easier to get away with not giving credit. LF didn't take the entire song WHY, because the OG artist would have been on him for stealing their beat. The days of loops were pretty much over with in 95 unless U had the cake ie Puff to pay the OG artists. Hence the advent of chopping.

Mac lazily took an entire song instead of creatively chopping/sampling LF's record. And is cakin off it.

If the OG artist that LF sampled come after LF and he doesn't give them what they want, then U can call him a hypocrite, bitter or old. Until then Mac needs to pay the piper for 1. Jackin an ENTIRE song and 2. Being a lazy, uncreative wack bloodsucker.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Legally Mac would still have to clear it if he was gonna be performing it or putting it on an album for sale.

Whether it's the whole song or a 2-3 second loop, you're still taking someone's work and doing something with it.

So Y shouldn't LF go after Mac for stealing his sh!t?

From a Hip Hop standpoint it's not the same thing( 2 sec chop vs Jack of entire beat)...come on!!

 

[Peak]

So Y shouldn't LF go after Mac for stealing his sh!t?

From a Hip Hop standpoint it's not the same thing( 2 sec chop vs Jack of entire beat)...come on!!

You're acting as though HipHop somehow is exempt from everything else. They both stole. Difference is LF is being a bytch about it.