Lord Finesse Is Suing Mac Miller For $10 Million

[L&HH]

Let's take it from the other perspective. This cat named Oddisee took Marcin Gaye vocals and placed it over a new "modern" beat he made and also rapped on it.


Let's say those vocals didnt come from Marvin Gaye (he's too recognizable), but some relatively obscure artist from the past, let's name him "Billy Frank". Now lets say people start loving this song it gets 24 million views and he's performing at shows and his fans are yelling for him to perform it. You guys think once Oddisee becomes successful he shouldnt break Billy Frank off, for using his vocals on a track to promote himself.

Or another example let's say im a new producer/dj and I decide to get a promotional tape of myself going. So I take old Big L vocals and place them on a new beat, and it gains popularity to the tune of 24 million views and fans screaming for me to play it during my DJ set, ya'll think I dont deserve to break Big L off (I know he's dead, R.I.P, but let's assume he's alive or even break off his family)?

 

[daze23]

Not the songs I posted, they were done in 1995 and 1997 when technology was way more advanced then that. You know that statement is straight bullshyt and being that you have DJ Subroc on your avatar I think you know your stuff about hip hop and you are just making shyt up now and have knowledge what the rappers and producers are doing. You're just trying to defend the old school at whatever the cost.

Plus looping is damn near just playing a song because it is easy as shyt to do.

I think RZA made that beat with an EPS or SP1200. some cats still prefer those old machines. there's also work that goes into making the bass sound like that. it's not just EQ'ing. I know a lot of cats filter it out with a low-pass, or something similar, and then play it back over the sample. I don't know if you want to call that a "straight loop"

and I stand by what I said. looping a part of a song is not the same as just playing a record

 

[stealthbomber]

I see a lotta back and forth about this but its good and bad, lord finesse is doing what im sure many old head producers have wanted to do for a long time, i mean think about what really is happening.

if lord finesse wins ANY money, think of all the other producers who have their beats on mixtapes that ended up becoming hit songs. they gonna be coming for money too. and guys like wiz khalifa, curren$y, big sean, j. cole, lil wayne, nipsey hussle are gonna be hit next. its gonna change rap completely.

now younger/new mc's won't be able to use other beats unless u already got paper to buy it off a producer. a lotta these guys won't have money like that and if they don't have a producer they outta luck.

but shyt like this will keep older guys relevant. they basically gotta co-sign the rapper using their beat.

i see in a lotta threads people talk about how the new generation has no respect for the older generation of rappers/producers, well the old heads tryna take it. but now a lot of the newer rapper just won't use their beats, so a lot more new rappers will have to basically do like they did in the 80s's and 90's. they gotta find a good producer and create their own sound. there will prolly be a lot more groups, not so many solo rappers.

*realizes how much i just wrote *

after all that i still don't know how to feel about it

its good cuz most people will have their own sound, not so much similarity like we have now. new rappers all coming up using the same old beats

but then the mixtape game might drop off on a fukking cliff . not so much free music as we get now cuz them average to garbage ass rappers with no money and no producer won't last.

so in the future guys like mac miller won't be able to instantly have a good mixtape from using old beats and sampling old shyt.

i guess im not too mad at finesse

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

i hate mac miller and love LF




but really?

I grew up on Lord Finesse....i played the shyt outta that RETURN OF THE FUNKYMAN lp...hands down he's like the GODFATHER OF THE PUNCHLINE RAPPER STYLE....

but this shyt right here is some bullshyt

unless the mixtape track in question is available for COMMERCIAL RETAIL SALE...

Because from what i'm assuming it's just for promotional purposes....courtesy of that site DATPIFF.com

but maybe thier is more to the issue....at least i hope.

because if it's not LORD FINESSE is looking real desperate..

 

[Kid Coli]

my nikkaz, I was just thinking about this and it seems kind of racist to me right now.

like we don't want these white boys to eat the same way they didn't want us to eat at baseball and golf and all that shyt...

 

[L&HH]

I see a lotta back and forth about this but its good and bad, lord finesse is doing what im sure many old head producers have wanted to do for a long time, i mean think about what really is happening.

if lord finesse wins ANY money, think of all the other producers who have their beats on mixtapes that ended up becoming hit songs. they gonna be coming for money too. and guys like wiz khalifa, curren$y, big sean, j. cole, lil wayne, nipsey hussle are gonna be hit next. its gonna change rap completely.

now younger/new mc's won't be able to use other beats unless u already got paper to buy it off a producer. a lotta these guys won't have money like that and if they don't have a producer they outta luck.

but shyt like this will keep older guys relevant. they basically gotta co-sign the rapper using their beat.

i see in a lotta threads people talk about how the new generation has no respect for the older generation of rappers/producers, well the old heads tryna take it. but now a lot of the newer rapper just won't use their beats, so a lot more new rappers will have to basically do like they did in the 80s's and 90's. they gotta find a good producer and create their own sound. there will prolly be a lot more groups, not so many solo rappers.

*realizes how much i just wrote *

after all that i still don't know how to feel about it

its good cuz most people will have their own sound, not so much similarity like we have now. new rappers all coming up using the same old beats

but then the mixtape game might drop off on a fukking cliff . not so much free music as we get now cuz them average to garbage ass rappers with no money and no producer won't last.

so in the future guys like mac miller won't be able to instantly have a good mixtape from using old beats and sampling old shyt.

i guess im not too mad at finesse

1. To address the first bolded im pretty sure old producers would let a rapper use they beat w/ no charge (maybe some royalties) if the rapper gives them credit. Also if you use the beat and the song becomes popular to the point where fans wanna here you perform then Id say its only right to break the producer off a lil something. If rappers dont have the money to pay then oh well. There's added value in things when people put their money behind it. It's going to weed out the trash on its own. The reason why hiphop is watered down as some people argue is because their is no barrier to entry. It seems like every Jack, dikk, and Larry who goes to sleep one night and picks up a mic wakes up with dreams that they can do the shyt. And they easily buy a $50 mic, DL some youtube instrumentals and boom now they a "rapper" with a mixtape. In Rock N Roll nikkas bands at least need to practice and know how to play the drums and guitar. For singing they have vocal coaches, songwriters, producers, etc...

2. The second bolded IMO, I want that to happen and that would be a positive. Im writing a piece right now about how I think free mixtapes in the way they are done now (basically free albums) are fukking the game up. shyt is getting sounds watered all the way the fukk down and alot of trash is being released. Its also fukking up producers they gotta rehash and reproduce the same shyt just to keep up. These "free mixtapes" are basically albums that these artists are using to gain promotion and exposure and touring off of but leaving producers in the dust. The lines have blurred between mixtapes and albums nowadays imo. The first thing nikkas say when a rapper releases an album is "oh man I wished they would have replaced X song on the album with Y song on the mixtape". shyt shouldnt even be called a mixtape anymore should just be called a promo album or some shyt. I have more to further explain my position but I feel like I've already typed enough. End Rant.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

my nikkaz, I was just thinking about this and it seems kind of racist to me right now.

like we don't want these white boys to eat the same way they didn't want us to eat at baseball and golf and all that shyt...

You know..I was thinking the same thing..like I hope finesse
Isn't just targeting this kid bc he's white

But then I'm seeing mad videos of mac miller getting confronted for not giving
Credit to producers..and it seems he's lied about giving credit a few times

 

[x2y]

I can understand wanting to get paid. But this looks as tasteless as Chuck D wanting to sue Primo for the 10 Crack Commandments tho that's more understandable it's hip hop on hip hop.

I can't co-sign this till I know more about the situaiton and fuk a mac miller.

 

[spliz]

1. To address the first bolded im pretty sure old producers would let a rapper use they beat w/ no charge (maybe some royalties) if the rapper gives them credit. Also if you use the beat and the song becomes popular to the point where fans wanna here you perform then Id say its only right to break the producer off a lil something.

2. The second bolded IMO, I want that to happen and that would be a positive. Im writing a piece right now about how I think free mixtapes in the way they are done now (basically free albums) are fukking the game up. shyt is getting sounds watered all the way the fukk down and alot of trash is being released. Its also fukking up producers they gotta rehash and reproduce the same shyt just to keep up. These "free mixtapes" are basically albums that these artists are using to gain promotion and exposure and touring off of but leaving producers in the dust. The lines have blurred between mixtapes and albums nowadays imo. The first thing nikkas say when a rapper releases an album is "oh man I wished they would have replaced X song on the album with Y song on the mixtape". shyt shouldnt even be called a mixtape anymore should just be called a promo album or some shyt. I have more to further explain my position but I feel like I've already typed enough. End Rant.

I agree wholeheartedly with point number 2...I said this to a nikka in this thread when he said he would rather have mixtapes with all original beats...and I said I bet he would...these artists are basically giving albums out for free and calling them mixtapes...of course he likes it..its watering down the mixtape game and unless u produce ur own beats everyone involved from the artists to the producers get fukked...while we eatin...cause don't get it twisted...these artists are paying these producers to use these beats...paying for studio time and all that unless they have they own studio..puttin in mad effort..just to turn around and give the shyt out for FREE...its fukkin themselves and the producers over in terms of royalties...

 

[street heat]

lol man yall need to stop acting like this is anything more than a dude thats broke and irrelevant trying to get some money off a young kid on his grind. I think this would set a terrible precedent if finesse wins. Lots of rappers could be sued over stuff like this. LF needs to sit his old ass down somewhere or get on his hustle instead of tryin to sue over a beat he never even cleared the sample to. I hope they turn right around and sue his ass

 

[daze23]

courtesy of that site DATPIFF.com

I'll just point out that Finesse is suing DatPiff and Rostrum Records, not Mac Miller himself

 

[stealthbomber]

1. To address the first bolded im pretty sure old producers would let a rapper use they beat w/ no charge (maybe some royalties) if the rapper gives them credit. Also if you use the beat and the song becomes popular to the point where fans wanna here you perform then Id say its only right to break the producer off a lil something. If rappers dont have the money to pay then oh well. There's added value in things when people put their money behind it. It's going to weed out the trash on its own. The reason why hiphop is watered down as some people argue is because their is no barrier to entry. It seems like every Jack, dikk, and Larry who goes to sleep one night and picks up a mic wakes up with dreams that they can do the shyt. And they easily buy a $50 mic, DL some youtube instrumentals and boom now they a "rapper" with a mixtape. In Rock N Roll nikkas bands at least need to practice and know how to play the drums and guitar. For singing they have vocal coaches, songwriters, producers, etc...

2. The second bolded IMO, I want that to happen and that would be a positive. Im writing a piece right now about how I think free mixtapes in the way they are done now (basically free albums) are fukking the game up. shyt is getting sounds watered all the way the fukk down and alot of trash is being released. Its also fukking up producers they gotta rehash and reproduce the same shyt just to keep up. These "free mixtapes" are basically albums that these artists are using to gain promotion and exposure and touring off of but leaving producers in the dust. The lines have blurred between mixtapes and albums nowadays imo. The first thing nikkas say when a rapper releases an album is "oh man I wished they would have replaced X song on the album with Y song on the mixtape". shyt shouldnt even be called a mixtape anymore should just be called a promo album or some shyt. I have more to further explain my position but I feel like I've already typed enough. End Rant.

breh i agree with everything u said. its gonna be a different game. producers/rappers will get credit for their work and it will definitely weed out the bottom of the barrel rappers.

we're witnessing something bigger than even know, the repricussions of this will change rap forever

 

[L&HH]

lol man yall need to stop acting like this is anything more than a dude thats broke and irrelevant trying to get some money off a young kid on his grind. I think this would set a terrible precedent if finesse wins. Lots of rappers could be sued over stuff like this. LF needs to sit his old ass down somewhere or get on his hustle instead of tryin to sue over a beat he never even cleared the sample to. I hope they turn right around and sue his ass

Whether or not LF is old and disgruntled is besides the point. HE might be but I feel like he has reason to be. Your say LF should "get on his hustle", how as a producer are you able to do that if nikkas aint giving you credit for the work you've done? Part of your hustle as a producer is to have rappers spit on your beat and hopefully it blows and it gives both parties their proper recognition. Out of the 24 million views Im sure a decent amount came from artists who may not know who LF is and wondered who the producer was who did the beat possibly to get beats for their own work. Also out of those 24 million views Im sure are fans who may have fukked with the beat and said to themselves "Hey I like this beat I wonder who the producer was, so I can check out more of their work". With no credit in/around the video how are they supposed to know who produced the beat?

 

[DANJ!]

It's a Free Mixtape. He isn't selling the song....but Finesse talking about suing DatPiff for hosting the mixtape...........

I'm a fan of his from way back but I can't imagine how much he must be hurting for cash to do something like this. Even if there's a settlement it sets a precedence.

People will be coming out the woodwork.

Imagine Hi Tek suing 50 CENT!

Right!

nikkas been doin' this forever... seriously... FOREVER... and here comes Finesse, probably the FIRST PRODUCER EVER to sue an artist for rapping over his beat for a mixtape.

And of course, all the dinosaurs are cosigning Finesse, but that's lame as fukk.

What if Marley Marl decided after 16 years that he doesn't like how Nas rapped over "Make The Music" and "Eric B Is Pres." on that Clue tape back in the day without crediting him... You would think that nikka was back on crack or some shyt.

And lord knows (no pun intended) nikkas like 50 built his career off that shyt... does he owe every producer that made the instrumentals they used for the mixtapes? Stevie J would be straight if he jumped out the woodwork talkin' bout they owe him for "Banks Victory"

shyt's just corny. Especially for somebody that has albums full of songs in whih the samples weren't credited.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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