as much as i think LF is a bytch for this, it will be interesting to see how this turns out, particularly up and coming artists like the above who didn't credit the originators on youtube...
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Lord Finesse Is Suing Mac Miller For $10 Million
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as much as i think LF is a bytch for this, it will be interesting to see how this turns out, particularly up and coming artists like the above who didn't credit the originators on youtube...
CrossBones
Louder than words
oh no I know. I said it 'for longer than anything else, brothers been getting sued and charged with sampling beats.' after biz markie the game changed.
that was the 90s. I know how it was. before that (which really has little meaning today, I can see) shyt was below the radar and handled differently. but since finesse and everybody else gotta clear samples now and get charged out of pocket for only taking parts of a record to make a new song, youre not just gonna sample a dudes whole format and act like you made it, give no credit, and then front like it was a random 'freestyle' when it was a whole song you promoting. real simple.
finesse said he spoke to dude, miller didnt follow up on his word, and now its come to this.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
WHAT!. There are tons of records that just loop a beat and there isn't anything different from the original and the new record. Trust me, I used to love crate digging and when I realized this it made me respect the old artist more then the new producers who everyone was loving besides a select few because they did flip the tracks.
If you listen to the song Mac Miller is just rhyming it isn't like it's a song for real. I see if he had a hook and shyt, it's just a freestyle with a video.
Lord Finesse's Hip 2 Da Game (Remix) sample of Minnie Riperton feat. Peabo Bryson's Here We Go | WhoSampled
This one he just loops the 23 second part and puts a break over it. I love making beats and choppin sample, diggin in the crates, but a huge portion of classics are just funk or soul loops.EDIT: i still consider the beat classic
You must not have watched the video of him performing it at a concert. Basically at the end of his show there was one song he didnt perform and the whole crowd was yelling "Kool And Frozen Pizza". The beat drops and everybody's going crazy reciting all the words and shyt. That doesnt happen with a "random freestyle". nikkas bringing up how other artists did/do the same shyt. When those artists do shows the crowd aint screaming for them to do their "freestyles" as in the case with Miller. At Wiz concert nikkas aint going be screaming for him to do "Dont Lie".
That shyt was more than a "freestyle" for Miller. So much so that I bet if you ask a good majority of his fans they wouldnt even know it was a beat from a previous song.
Lord Finesse's Hip 2 Da Game (Remix) sample of Minnie Riperton feat. Peabo Bryson's Here We Go | WhoSampled
EDIT: i still consider the beat classic
I like the way he flipped that beat but I'm not talking about that because the two songs sound different I'm talking about a straight loop and nothing else added or flipped. Like this:
Cappadonna's '97 Mentality sample of The Mad Lads's Gone, Promises of Yesterday | WhoSampled
or this:
GZA feat. RZA's Liquid Swords sample of Willie Mitchell's Groovin' | WhoSampled
looping part of a song is not the same as using the whole song. and most of these examples aren't straight loops. if they add drums or a break to it, it's not a straight loop. besides the fact a lot of those old beats were pieced together on a 12 bit sampler with a 2.5 second sample time
Lord Finesse's Hip 2 Da Game (Remix) sample of Minnie Riperton feat. Peabo Bryson's Here We Go | WhoSampled
EDIT: i still consider the beat classic
Come on your oversimplify it. Back in those days there was no whosampled.com for you to know samples. Without the site you may not even know the sample (unless you were a crate digger or a fan of that music). Half the battle of sampling is finding the record you wanna flip. Then there still takes work in extracting the part you want and adding a complimentary drum track. What seems so "simple" to you today wasnt that "simple" back then. And LF still didnt do what daze23 said in the bolded, "put on a record and press play"
Times change and things are different but that doesn't change the fact that it's a freestyle. You can't be mad at people for liking it. Just like those clue mixtapes people loved with nas and jay-z freestyles or the doowop 95 live freestyles that changed the game. They should have capitalized off of them like the new rappers are.
Not the songs I posted, they were done in 1995 and 1997 when technology was way more advanced then that. You know that statement is straight bullshyt and being that you have DJ Subroc on your avatar I think you know your stuff about hip hop and you are just making shyt up now and have knowledge what the rappers and producers are doing. You're just trying to defend the old school at whatever the cost.
Plus looping is damn near just playing a song because it is easy as shyt to do.
Those clue tapes are promotional tools where all the artists can eat for what they did. The DJ eats cause its his tape and he getting his name out there but Nas and Jay get their name out there too. When Mac uses a beat and doesnt give proper credit to the person who did the beat, ho does LF benefit from that situation? Nobody's mad that people like it in fact you want as many people to like it as possible as long as your getting your just due for the work you put in as well.
The point is the BEATS they rhymed over weren't given credit. Someone could have thought those were original beats when they weren't. The freestyles were popular and they could have did shows off of them if they decided to but they didn't whereas now that is the thing to do. Same situation just differetn outcomes. That's what I was trying to say.
Goat poster
KANG LIFE
Finesse didn't even pay for the original sample....
can't think of one instance where a producer has benefited from his already used beat being on a mixtape. as you said before clue tapes are promo tolls for DJ and artist. What make Mac Miller's situation any different? Them clue tapes didn't ever say "jay-z shook ones freestyle" produced by havoc because it wasn't supposed to benefit the producer. The mixtape game has been that way from day dot.