Looking back, it's fukked up how 2pac went at C. Delores Tucker

[DaHNIC82]

Fukk them hating old ass nikkahs.. She was teaming up with that CAC William Bennett and Bob Dole to suppress hip hop's voices which was at the time was actually substantial. Salute to Khalid Muhammad for putting them c00n ass nikkahs in their place in his ballot or bullet speech

 

[hustlemania]

You talking about album sales, if Cube had dropped DC without the NWA fame he would have crawled his way to gold as well, I'm not talking about that frivolous shyt.

And what exactly did I make up?

 

[ahdsend]

 

[Nomad1]

She bought shares in time warner, that old bytch wanted a stake in Gangsta Rap music and she used armchair activism to do that. She wanted Death Row's money.
That old bytch can rot in hell who cares

 

[SunZoo]

u made an empty claim that he had the socialist rhetoric with the juice to actually get the youth on his side....but when i say his album sales should be a reflection of such a claim u call it frivolous shyt which forces me to ponder where did u pull such info from? im gonna assume u pulled it out your ass.

Record sales are frivolous though, you're talking about bu bu bu Cube went platinum, how come Pac didn't as if Cube didn't have NWA fame to springboard from.

You trying to tell me that DC in a vacuum goes platinum out the gate? Pac not going platinum out the gate doesn't negate his influence.

And u lied about him being a "black messiah".......What "Black Messiah" promotes thug life, malt liquor consumption, beefing with other Black men that had nothing to do with u getting shot, bragging about sleeping with a Black mans wife, which would be contributing to the destruction of a Black family and then threatens to kill kids with a fofo.



Like the goverment is gonna bypass Farrakhan who actually united thousands of Black men at the million man march, was against thug life and drug usage and actually united beefing rappers in the mid 90's instead of contributing to beef. 2pac was cool with Khadafi....Farrakhan was cool with the real Gaddafi who was actually considered a threat..... So the government is gonna overlook Farrakhan and Chuck D and KRS and go after the rapper who's promoting Thug Life as the Black Messiah.

Again...2pac was a Shakur, he was being monitored by the government from birth. And you basing what a 'messiah' is on your own moral judgement, I'm going off the perception of the government and the goals of COINTELPRO.


As for Chuck D, KRS and Farrakahn:

- PE and KRS were neutralized and blackballed from mainstream rap. Neither of them had direct familial ties to the BLA (black liberation army)
- Farrakahn was and still is old and some suspect him of being an "agent" anyway which would explain why he can move like he can. That's another topic but even then, looking at number 2 below in the red, you can see that they considered Elijah less of a threat than someone like Stokley Carmichael because of the age difference. Farrakan was 64 in 1996.

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For maximum effectiveness of the Counterintelligence Program, and to prevent wasted effort, long-range goals are being set.

GOALS of COINTELPRO:

1. Prevent the COALITION of militant black nationalist groups. In unity there is strength, a truism that is no less valid for all it's triteness. An effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first step toward a real "Mau Mau" [black revolutionary army] in America, the beginning of a true black revolution.

2. Prevent the rise of a "messiah" who could unify and electrify the militant black nationalist movement. Malcom X might have been such a "messiah", he is the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichale and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position. Elijah Muhammed is less of a threat because of his age. King could be a very real contender for his position should he abandon his supposed "obedience" to "white, liberal doctrines" (nonviolence) and embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary charisma to be a real threat in this way.

 

[smokeurobinson]

1. Prevent the COALITION of militant black nationalist groups. In unity there is strength, a truism that is no less valid for all it's triteness. An effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first step toward a real "Mau Mau" [black revolutionary army] in America, the beginning of a true black revolution.

OK....it was Death Row vs Bad Boy......the division of Black forces....the exact opposite of everything written here. U suspected Farrakhan of being an agent well if Pac was dividing Black forces he might as well have been an agent too because it looks as if he's doing their job from this statement.

you're destroying your own argument with your own evidence.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Record sales are frivolous though, you're talking about bu bu bu Cube went platinum, how come Pac didn't as if Cube didn't have NWA fame to springboard from.

You trying to tell me that DC in a vacuum goes platinum out the gate? It doesn't...his debut album not going platinum out the gate doesn't negate anything.



Again...2pac was a Shakur, he was being monitored by the government from birth. And you basing what a 'messiah' is on your own moral judgement, I'm going off the perception of the government and the goals of COINTELPRO.


As for Chuck D, KRS and Farrakahn:

- PE and KRS were neutralized and blackballed from mainstream rap.
- Farrakahn was and still is old and some suspect him of being an "agent" anyway which would explain why he can move like he can. That's another topic but even then, looking at number 2 below in the red, you can see that they considered Elijah less of a threat than someone like Stokley Carmichael because of the age difference. Farrakan was 64 in 1996.

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For maximum effectiveness of the Counterintelligence Program, and to prevent wasted effort, long-range goals are being set.

GOALS of COINTELPRO:

1. Prevent the COALITION of militant black nationalist groups. In unity there is strength, a truism that is no less valid for all it's triteness. An effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first step toward a real "Mau Mau" [black revolutionary army] in America, the beginning of a true black revolution.

2. Prevent the rise of a "messiah" who could unify and electrify the militant black nationalist movement. Malcom X might have been such a "messiah", he is the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichale and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position. Elijah Muhammed is less of a threat because of his age. King could be a very real contender for his position should he abandon his supposed "obedience" to "white, liberal doctrines" (nonviolence) and embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary charisma to be a real threat in this way.

Tupac Shakur Part 1 of 1

But nikkahs still trying to argue

 

[SunZoo]

Ice Cube was not a brand new artist when he dropped DC.

Steady Mobbin and True to the game weren't really hits like that, it sold what it sold because he was already known from being the centerpiece of the biggest group in rap at the time. 2pacalypse was an actual debut from someone who at best was known for having a verse on Same Song.

 

[SunZoo]

OK....it was Death Row vs Bad Boy......the division of Black forces....the exact opposite of everything written here. U suspected Farrakhan of being an agent well if Pac was dividing Black forces he might as well have been an agent too because it looks as if he's doing their job from this statement.

you're destroying your own argument with your own evidence.

Wait a minute....I stopped reading at death row/bad boy. Same shyt with you going to record sales and all that, this is deeper than rap. You realize COINTELPRO orchastrated an east vs. west feud before Hip Hop even came about right?

And I don't really have suspicions about Farrakahn, that's not really my bag. I'm simply saying that is the perception of him by some people which would explain why he's able to move like he can. All the stuff with X and Kalid Muhammad is whatever to me, he's a powerful man, probably the most powerful black man in the public eye. A lot of informants get to run the streets, say and do a lot of shyt with impunity.



Either way, the important bit was that they viewed Elijah, who was in his late 60's when that directive was written as less of a threat than Stokley Carmichael who had far less 'power' in the traditional sense because he could speak to the youth in a way that Elijah couldn't.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Wait a minute....I stopped reading at death row/bad boy.

of course u would stop reading after death row/bad boy because it puts holes in your conspiracy theory.

You want me to ignore actual facts for a fukking conspiracy theory?

Yeah right, go spit that weak game to them ugly chicks.


Again, u destroyed your own argument with your own evidence...


1. Prevent the COALITION of militant black nationalist groups. In unity there is strength, a truism that is no less valid for all it's triteness. An effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first step toward a real "Mau Mau" [black revolutionary army] in America, the beginning of a true black revolution.



Well a very "young" KRS already did exactly that in 89.....The Stop The Violence movement pushed for the west coast to do the same(even had 2pacs original crew in the mix )....This was the only time hip hop saw unity on such a mass level....2Pac didnt do anything like this....he was part of the division, not the unity......And dont bring up One Nation because that never happened, but the Stop the Violence movement did happen and it was started by KRS. But lie to yourself and make up conspiracy theories ignoring these actual facts.

 

[R=G]

Nah fukk that
He didn't have to call an older black lady a mafukka

That was some hoe shyt

Lol..wtf

 

[Nomad1]

started by KRS

after his friend got wet up and then KRS turned to a preacher

 

[I’ve Made Millions]

Didn't that CAC Eminem say

"Tell that c Delores tucker slut to suck a dykk" ????




Edit:yep he said it on "nail in the coffin"

 

[SunZoo]

of course u would stop reading after death row/bad boy because it puts holes in your conspiracy theory.

You want me to ignore actual facts for a fukking conspiracy theory?

Yeah right, go spit that weak game to them ugly chicks.


Again, u destroyed your own argument with your own evidence...


1. Prevent the COALITION of militant black nationalist groups. In unity there is strength, a truism that is no less valid for all it's triteness. An effective coalition of black nationalist groups might be the first step toward a real "Mau Mau" [black revolutionary army] in America, the beginning of a true black revolution.



Well a very "young" KRS already did exactly that in 89.....The Stop The Violence movement pushed for the west coast to do the same(even had 2pacs original crew in the mix )....This was the only time hip hop saw unity on such a mass level....2Pac didnt do anything like this....he was part of the division, not the unity......And dont bring up One Nation because that never happened, but the Stop the Violence movement did happen and it was started by KRS. But lie to yourself and make up conspiracy theories ignoring these actual facts.

I stopped reading because you're focused on the bullshyt, as per usual. I'm trying to talk to you like a grown up and you talking about spitting game to ugly chicks, stop behaving like a child looking to argue for the sake of arguing. KRS was blackballed for the stop the violence movement. Thug Lyfe wasn't some hippity hop shyt, it was an effort to organize street gangs and was a code of ethics co-created by Mutulu Shakur. Who you think the government was more worried about?

- COINTELPRO directives are FACTS
- Government files on 2pac are FACTS
- 2pac having direct familial ties to the black panthers and the BLA are FACTS.
- nikkas were ready to bust moves on behalf of 2pac, FACTS.

And these things are factual independent of your moral judgments or what rap related shyt you want to point up.

 

[Art Barr]

you do know c delores tucker and al sharpton basically were just political mercenaries.
whom took the job because someone commissioned them to, right.
that whole shyt was orchestrated and made up.
it was from a completely fabricated place and was paid for.

art barr