Look... DC breh's need to face facts.

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Another terrible thread.

 

[5n0man]

Capt has superhuman strength, reflexes and endurance he's a legit superhero

No he doesn't, the super soldier serum gave Captain America peak human strength and agility.

Batman is said to have trained himself to peak human strength and agility.

"Captain America has no superhuman powers, but through the Super-Soldier Serum and "Vita-Ray" treatment, he is transformed and his strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, durability, and healing are at the zenith of natural human potential."


"Batman has no inherent superhuman powers; he relies on his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess. Batman has been repeatedly described as having a genius-level intellect, being one of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe, and having peak human physical conditioning."

They are literally described as the same strength level from each of their respective comics.

 

[5n0man]

In the movies?

Ironman saved the day in "The Avengers" movie by flying the nuke into space. Batman (so far, anyway) hasn't had a scene like that in any DCEU movie. Nor is his tech level (again, in the movies) anywhere near Ironman's. If he had tech comparable to the suit he fought Superman with, in every scene, the Ironman comparison would make more sense.

The problem is Tony's thing is tech, and Bruce Wayne's is tech/detective skills....when you're dealing with aliens trying to end the world the detective angle doesn't translate well to the big screen....and Bruce Wayne isn't just a guy in a metal suit, like Tony.

Fred.

So batman can't work in a justice League movie because he hasn't been shown in a movie to do shyt he does in the comics?


Maybe they just keep fukking up with the cinematic characters, that doesn't mean the shyt can't work.

Batman is equal in strength to iron man and captain America .

"But the movies tho"

If captain America and iron man can work in the avengers movies then how come batman can't work in a proper justice League movie?

 

[parallax]

No he doesn't, the super soldier serum gave Captain America peak human strength and agility.

Batman is said to have trained himself to peak human strength and agility.

"Captain America has no superhuman powers, but through the Super-Soldier Serum and "Vita-Ray" treatment, he is transformed and his strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, durability, and healing are at the zenith of natural human potential."


"Batman has no inherent superhuman powers; he relies on his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess. Batman has been repeatedly described as having a genius-level intellect, being one of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe, and having peak human physical conditioning."

They are literally described as the same strength level from each of their respective comics.

batman isnt running a mile in a minute, nor can he lift a ton.

 

[5n0man]

batman isnt running a mile in a minute, nor can he lift a ton.

That middle plate says 500 lb



Looks pretty close to a ton.

 

[parallax]

So Batman can lift more than 1k pounds, but isn' some sort of superhuman?

 

[5n0man]

So Batman can lift more than 1k pounds, but isn' some sort of superhuman?

It's a comic book character.

Captain America has always been explained to have gained peak human conditioning from his soldier serum. He does not have super strength, he's simply as strong as a normal human can be. There are other humans in the marvel universe who are just as strong by pure training. Black panther is just as strong by strictly training without powers from the panther god, not even a contest when you add in those abilities.

 

[OnFleekTing]

You could use Batman just like Captain America is used in Marvel
The only reason that isn't done is because of small minds and complex's about the other character's being seen as lesser than Batman.

In Marvel its clear Iron Man is above all the other heroes and Cap is just the symbol no issue
In DC Batman is their most popular character and he is just a regular trained human. The closest thing the avengers have to him is hawkeye and black widow who are side characters
So there's the problem for some folks. You take a side character and make him the main character.
That's not gonna fly for some folks logic no matter what proof or examples you bring to the table.

 

[hex]

So batman can't work in a justice League movie because he hasn't been shown in a movie to do shyt he does in the comics?


Maybe they just keep fukking up with the cinematic characters, that doesn't mean the shyt can't work.

Batman is equal in strength to iron man and captain America .

"But the movies tho"

If captain America and iron man can work in the avengers movies then how come batman can't work in a proper justice League movie?

I never said it can't work. I said it hasn't worked so far, for the reasons I outlined.

So far he don't seem on the level of a Superman or Wonder Woman or Flash. The same cannot be said for Ironman or Cap in The Avengers....you never get the vibe the team is carrying them.

And no, Batman ain't nowhere near Cap in terms of anything....speed, agility, strength, etc. Bruce Wayne is literally just a human in a suit. If Cap fights Bruce Wayne one on one he's gonna kill him. So far Batman's tech level in the DCEU is nowhere near what Tony Stark has been shown to do in the MCU, either.

That's not even the point though....a key part of Batman is his detective skills and prep time....if your threat level is Steppenwolf, where you need Superman to save the day....they ain't gonna go the "prep time" route. They're just gonna have Superman save the day....which makes Batman seem useless.

Hell, as much as people complain about Bale's portrayal, the Nolan Batman was more of a detective and far closer to the character than Affleck.

Fred.

 

[5n0man]

I never said it can't work. I said it hasn't worked so far, for the reasons I outlined.

So far he don't seem on the level of a Superman or Wonder Woman or Flash. The same cannot be said for Ironman or Cap in The Avengers....you never get the vibe the team is carrying them.

And no, Batman ain't nowhere near Cap in terms of anything....speed, agility, strength, etc. Bruce Wayne is literally just a human in a suit. If Cap fights Bruce Wayne one on one he's gonna kill him. So far Batman's tech level in the DCEU is nowhere near what Tony Stark has been shown to do in the MCU, either.

That's not even the point though....a key part of Batman is his detective skills and prep time....if your threat level is Steppenwolf, where you need Superman to save the day....they ain't gonna go the "prep time" route. They're just gonna have Superman save the day....which makes Batman seem useless.

Hell, as much as people complain about Bale's portrayal, the Nolan Batman was more of a detective and far closer to the character than Affleck.

Fred.

This thread is about what batman is capable of in the comics and how they could or could not translate that into a movie.

Your still talking about what the movie version of captain America can do. Comicbook captain america is a regular guy that took drugs to skip training, all this shyt about lifting cars and shyt is just as unbelievable as batman benching over a 1000 lb.

If it can work for one character then it can work for another

 

[KOOL-AID]

Naw if cap can shine in avengers films and not feel useless then fukking Batman can go as well

 

[datnigDASTARDLY]

This thread is about what batman is capable of in the comics and how they could or could not translate that into a movie.

Your still talking about what the movie version of captain America can do. Comicbook captain america is a regular guy that took drugs to skip training, all this shyt about lifting cars and shyt is just as unbelievable as batman benching over a 1000 lb.

If it can work for one character then it can work for another

I think the point is the justice league, as a team, is far beyond the avengers in power as a team.

In order to get Batman at a reasonable level be it strength, tactics or knowledge he gotta be a meta human to make that shyt work. If you don't that man going to be useless and any narrative that strips the league of their power just so batman can judo chop some nikkas is just stupid.

The avengers don't have that problem cause there's no mistaking the power players, they and the audience know their roles.

But, I don't read DC so I'm just going off of what a casual viewer would think.

 

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That warehouse fight scene is still the best we've seen in all of the MCU and DCEU
shyt was just raw.

If only the Nolan trilogy had fight scenes of that caliber

 

[hex]

This thread is about what batman is capable of in the comics and how they could or could not translate that into a movie.

Your still talking about what the movie version of captain America can do. Comicbook captain america is a regular guy that took drugs to skip training, all this shyt about lifting cars and shyt is just as unbelievable as batman benching over a 1000 lb.

If it can work for one character then it can work for another

You're still missing the point.

The DCEU version of the character isn't a detective. He hasn't been shown to have "prep time". So far it seems like they have little to no interest in that.

That is an integral part of the character.

The thread is full of people comparing Batman to Cap or Ironman when Batman is more than a guy that can lift 1000 lbs., or some kinda tech nerd. I don't even know what you're talking about as far as any of this being "unbelievable"....all this shyt is unbelievable, it's based on comics. The difference is, the movie versions of Cap and Ironman are closer to the comics than the DCEU version of Batman. We can sit here all day talking about what Batman is capable of in the comics, if they don't put any of that on the screen it's pointless.

Character-wise Bruce Wayne should be just as close to Sherlock Holmes as he is to Ironman....is he in any of these DCEU movies? That's the problem.

Fred.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

Please tell me what Batman did in the JL flick that Cybog didn't upgrade and make better

You do realize that you just made my argument about the capacity which they used Batman for me right?

Good job

The fact that DC has troubles translating a fukking detective to screen is very telling about they're falling behind.