Look... DC breh's need to face facts.

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Batman can work within the context of a superhero team. The problem is in the films they've never given us a Batman that is a genius and master tactician.

You can't say Batman can't work because he's a human fighting alongside the others when people have no problem buying fukking Black Widow as a viable member of the Avengers. Hell, even on television people have completely bought into the idea of Green Arrow being one of the most important members of their JLA during crossovers.

The irony of all of this is Zack Snyder. He produced the watchmen which had Ozymandias if they portrayed Batman with the same skill set it would probably work. And Alfred being the get out of jail free card gets old after a while.

 

[R=G]

Those are cartoons though. Batman is CLEARLY a hindrance to the Justice League. This nikka is a human with body armor on. They would spend most of the time protecting him IRL. OP has a point, unless he's just going to fight in the same suit he fought Superman in, he's useless.

Iron Man is human..lol

 

[reigun]

Why is Batman being compared to Widow or Hawkeye instead of Captain America, who is his more direct analog and whom no one has any problem with being in the Avengers?

Also, let's not do the whole "the Justice League are idiots without Batman." That shyt ain't true and is usually said by Batman fans insecure about his place on the team. Yes, Batman is the team strategist, but the rest of the League are all very intelligent and capable as superheroes.

Also also, it's a fukking movie. They can sell us on anything with the right writing.

 

[Mission249]

Part of the problem is they overpowered the hell out of Superman in these recent movies - all for the sake for some cool looking action scenes. But after those action scenes are done, none of the situations make sense anymore.

It's the same problem in the Flash TV show. The writer's can't control themselves so, from the jump, they write him so fast he can go back in time. But then they've written themselves into a corner so they pretend having him literally trip over marbles makes sense.

The worst part about the writers blowing their loads too early is that the hero's never earned their power levels. Imagine if in Man of Steel 3 or Justice League 2 we got a scene like this:


It doesn't make sense now cause everyone's OP'ed because it looked cool on Snyder's storyboards. So yeah, Batman's never gonna make sense in that world. Let alone these movies have never demonstrated his genius intellect.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Part of the problem is they overpowered the hell out of Superman in these recent movies - all for the sake for some cool looking action scenes. But after those action scenes are done, none of the situations make sense anymore.

It's the same problem in the Flash TV show. The writer's can't control themselves so, from the jump, they write him so fast he can go back in time. But then they've written themselves into a corner so they pretend having him literally trip over marbles makes sense.

The worst part about the writers blowing their loads too early is that the hero's never earned their power levels. Imagine if in Man of Steel 3 or Justice League 2 we got a scene like this:


It doesn't make sense now cause everyone's OP'ed because it looked cool on Snyder's storyboards. So yeah, Batman's never gonna make sense in that world. Let alone these movies have never demonstrated his genius intellect.

They could at least overpower Batmans intellect though.

 

[dem bath salts]

Why is Batman being compared to Widow or Hawkeye instead of Captain America, who is his more direct analog and whom no one has any problem with being in the Avengers?

Also, let's not do the whole "the Justice League are idiots without Batman." That shyt ain't true and is usually said by Batman fans insecure about his place on the team. Yes, Batman is the team strategist, but the rest of the League are all very intelligent and capable as superheroes.

Also also, it's a fukking movie. They can sell us on anything with the right writing.

Capt has superhuman strength, reflexes and endurance he's a legit superhero

 

[reigun]

Capt has superhuman strength, reflexes and endurance he's a legit superhero

Like that means shyt when he's fighting Thanos.

Which is what this whole conversation is about. Regular humans fighting alongside superpowered beings against superpowered threats. Capt may have the super soldier serum, but in the context of the conversation, he's no different than Batman.

(Not to mention that whenever DC and Marvel did crossovers, they usually paired the two together. So even the companies involved view them as analogs)

In the end, it doesn't matter. It's a story. They can write around it. This is a silly complaint.

 

[ELESDEE616]

Capt has superhuman strength, reflexes and endurance he's a legit superhero

No. Cap is peak human. He is as strong and as fast as a human could be without being a superhuman. Like if you combined Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and the world strongest man.

 

[GunRanger]

Do you have Faith in DC pulling that off? And Batman as depicted in The JL cartoons is way more bad ass than anything we've seen from him in any film form. The most realistic depiction of Batman as a JL member is in Justice League War. Thing is you can't afford to do that in a Justice League film because....We'll he's fukking Batman and we can't have him looking unrealistically under powered(which he is) There is no Prep Time in movies.

"No prep time in movies" but prep time was exactly the reason he was about to kill superman

No. Cap is peak human. He is as strong and as fast as a human could be without being a superhuman. Like if you combined Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and the world strongest man.

Man at this point cap is stronger than wolverine. Takes punches and kicks from iron man and barely gets a bloody lip

 

[Jigganaut]

No. Cap is peak human. He is as strong and as fast as a human could be without being a superhuman. Like if you combined Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and the world strongest man.

You think that a comic book peak human is analogous to a real world peak human???

 

[John Hull]

"No prep time in movies" but prep time was exactly the reason he was about to kill superman



Man at this point cap is stronger than wolverine. Takes punches and kicks from iron man and barely gets a bloody lip

This was basically the coolest scene in all the DC movies to this point, but this shyt is light work compared to most Marvel flicks...

Would have been cool to just see them do a full Batman reboot with Batfleck

 

[chico25]

No. Cap is peak human. He is as strong and as fast as a human could be without being a superhuman. Like if you combined Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and the world strongest man.

That may be the narrative of the comics but in the movies he's holding back moving helicopters. That is legit superstregnth and more than you can get away with Batman doing.

 

[Shaman]

I would disagree. A live action Bruce Wayne could have worked alongside his godlike teammates for reasons others have already argued. The DCEU just handled him poorly in making him so ineffective. Just like they made the rest of the team seem useless once superman showed up.

With that being said, I wouldn't have gone that route. Instead, I would have made Bruce Wayne the Nick Fury / Oracle of the group and had Terry McGinnis take his place on the team itself in an ironman-esque batsuit. As Cyborg already covers both of these roles, this would be contingent on replacing him with John Stewart

This way, you have a Bruce Wayne who is still integral to the Justice League without too much of a stretch; and you have a batman who isn't useless in action scenes alongside people with superpowers

 

[Jplaya2023]

They did a good job of this in Justice League War. But you're right. You can't turn Batman into a Black Widow type character just for the fact he's the most iconic character in comics.

*fixed*

 

[loyola llothta]

Batman is the brain of the Justice league.You take him out of any Justice League movie and it's a bunch of idiots chasing their tails.

Your issue isn't with Batman,it's with the capacity in which they use him.

Not in the justice league. Lex is more of the brain of the operation