Look at this dork Kenny Omega whining about Styles-Cena

[prophecypro]

Im a cac so run with it if you want. Its cool

No yall are marks cuz you actually think njpw is in the same stratosphere as wwe. They do all look the same. If i put up 20 pics of japanese and american wrestlers for 100 random people only the american wrestlers would be recognized. We could do this all over the world and only in japan would anyone know who those guys are.

My pops knows inoki cuz he fought ali.

I like how yall spun this into me saying wwe is better than njpw. I didnt. I said its not the major league of world wrestling. Thatbis wwe and that is fact. Saying otherwise is making excuses and moving goal posts to say "oh well they better wrestlers" "its more physical" blah blah. I didnt say any of that.

Im sayjng until those guys goto the wwe they are LOCAL. Am i lying?

I think anyone saying its in the same stratosphere as WWE, just that's its more and more a viable option with good pay, touring prospects, tv/stream network that's all.

Can't really say you're local if you got TV overseas and now you're touring overseas as well.

I dont get the absolutism of a couple of y'all here.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I havent watched wrestling in ten. Got back into it at wm 30 and watch like 5 raws a year since.

I watched old jap stuff from 90s/00s but mostly from the gaijens. Vaders run. Steiners. Hulks run. Bam bam. I watched all brocks matches there. Hayabusa and hakushi (jinsei suziki i forget how to spell his last name). I enjoy the physical jap style but most of the wrestlers never caugjtbmy attention minus a handful.

I didnt say i did know much about njpw. What i said is they arent in the global bracket that wwe is and that is correct. I could name every member of the bullet club even tho ive only watched 3 njpw ppvs in past 5 years. I only know of these guys thru podcasts ive listened to.

I just dint think these guys have the name recognition to the casual fan the way some making it out in here.

U dont have to watch UK wrestling to know the UK promotion isnt in the same league as wwf.

I dont have to watch tna to know they a distant 2 in america to wwe and thats a stretch as roh is prolly 2.

If it makes yall feel better, besides wwe, njpw is the only fed that feels like it "matters". But it still isnt wwe level.

Then why are we talking to you about japanese wrestling

 

[ZEB WALTON]

I think anyone saying its in the same stratosphere as WWE, just that's its more and more a viable option with good pay, touring prospects, tv/stream network that's all.

Can't really say you're local if you got TV overseas and now you're touring overseas as well.

I dont get the absolutism of a couple of y'all here.

I do the absolutism cause if i dont noone will respond. Gotta overly exaggerate a lil to get the blood flowing and truth out. Lmao

Njpw is def the second best alternative in the world right now. I know of its history and inportance but i feel like its still far away from being able to compete with wwe. Any wrestling legend will tell you that going to "new york" is the big time.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Then why are we talking to you about japanese wrestling

Ed.

Is njpw on the same level as wwe? Is njpw "the big time". Is "wrestle kingdom" on the same level as "wrestlemania"

Why yall dancing around this question so bad

Im done here. Yall getting into ya feelings cuz im not crazy about the jap. Wrestling yall like. Its cool brehs.

 

[RammerJammer]

Look at it this way.

The #1 and #2 promotions in the World just had a 5 star match in the same month

New Japan Pro Wrestling is a Top Tier promotion, so stop the Minor League bullshyt.

WWE is the #1 wrestling promotion in the World so no one is arguing against that.

 

[mrken12]

Maybe he'd actually sign guys if he'd stopped trying to pay them in chump change

WWE doesn't even need ZSJ to be honest. Jack Gallagher looked more impressive during the tournament.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I think anyone saying its in the same stratosphere as WWE, just that's its more and more a viable option with good pay, touring prospects, tv/stream network that's all.

Can't really say you're local if you got TV overseas and now you're touring overseas as well.

I dont get the absolutism of a couple of y'all here.

Yeah, who is he arguing with? Njpw is nowhere as big as wwe and in america njpw wrestlers are relatively unknown. No shyt.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Ed.

Is njpw on the same level as wwe? Is njpw "the big time". Is "wrestle kingdom" on the same level as "wrestlemania"

Why yall dancing around this question so bad

Im done here. Yall getting into ya feelings cuz im not crazy about the jap. Wrestling yall like. Its cool brehs.

No, but i never said it was...this argument is in your head.

The idea that njpw is some babyfood though, is just erroneous. I mean, you just compared it to insolvent ass funded-by-vince ecw. Come on breh.

If NJPW was an american fed historically its way more successful than awa, crockett, uswa, etc. it has had a much longer successful run than turner ever did.

Wrestlers will make more money in the united states than anywhere else in the world, unless they do some serious serious traveling and work for 3 feds at once.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Yeah, who is he arguing with? Njpw is nowhere as big as wwe and in america njpw wrestlers are relatively unknown. No shyt.

No, but i never said it was...this argument is in your head.

The idea that njpw is some babyfood though, is just erroneous. I mean, you just compared it to insolvent ass funded-by-vince ecw. Come on breh.

If NJPW was an american fed historically its way more successful than awa, crockett, uswa, etc. it has had a much longer successful run than turner ever did.

Wrestlers will make more money in the united states than anywhere else in the world, unless they do some serious serious traveling and work for 3 feds at once.

Uhh the 3-4 people in here trying to claim otherwise that people wan leave wwe to goto japan because its on par. Did you even read the thread or just my posts cuz theres quite a few people acting like its wcw to wwf. Never said njpw was trash either. Never said it was running in gyms. Its a relatively small global company that guys goto when wwe isnt calling or they can make a few extra bucks to work half as much.

"ya know what i need japan to make my career complete" said noone ever

The only people who call NJPW the "minor leagues" or the "indies" are the sheep who only watch WWE. No one else says nonsense like that.

Granted mitigating circumstances certainly forced CM Punk, Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar and Daniel Bryan to imply or say they would

But I would say as WWE continues to sterilize their product and overscript with 50/50 booking and part timers would you honestly be surprised of someone major would



.....assume they would be any big stars left.

Yes, Punk was ready to leave WWE in 2011. He was going to go to NJPW. Vince offered him more money and a promise that he would be "the big dog"

And people don't understand, they are Gods in Japan, they got commercials, toys, endorsements and shyt and it ain't like WWE where they are robbed blind on trademarks

Kurt Angle did
Hogan, Lesnar and AJ all did.
Bryan wants to, we know his contract situation
and Punk made overtures to try probably would if he goes back to wrestling
And Cody wants to and so do the Hardys


The fact we even know of New Japan is become western wrestlers have gone.

That answers that itself

NJPW definitely is nothing close to being the indies or minor league.

I consider wrestling like soccer. You have different leagues, some bigger than others of course. But clearly WWE and NJPW are like real madrid la liga and manchester united premier league.

With that being said. AJ is my favorite wrestler in the world. But O vs O was clearly the better match

Cody made a list almost immediately after of people he wanted to face. Some of those names were of wrestlers in New Japan. He must have already had those names in mind prior to leaving WWE. Cody didnt leave for money because he didnt care about money anymore. Yes WWE will pay him the most by far and he left knowing that. His reasons for leaving WWE is irrelevant here. He didnt retire because WWE was end all be all like its being implied in here he went elsewhere.

WWE is literally just passing out money at this point so most will take it but not everyone has to. I do agree that WWE is number one but New Japan is major as well.

And if you dont take Cody as an example, take MVP or Shelton Benjamin as examples also. Both actually signed contracts.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Well, they're wrong lol. If your stance is that wwe is more major than njpw, thats straight unarguable

If the belief is that njpw is like a leftover fed or some wrestler graveyard like tna, thats also wrong.

2015-2017 njpw is probably the best alternative AS A FAN that wwe has had since 97 wcw.
As a wrestler, njpw is a better alternative than tna, but not as good as alternative as prime wcw.

Comparing league quality, njpw is putting on shows that rival wwe's best. Wrestlekindgom 11 will probably be the first or second most entertaining show this year. That said though even if you have wk11 as #1 2-10 are probably wwe shows outside of maybe g1 climax.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Enough of a draw that they're expanding into the US. And that's the point. With New Japan making a play at touring more in the US as well as their partnerships with other companies its a viable alternative to the WWE more and more.

But for some reason you got this weird fetish for saying its either WWE or nothing when cats pretty much build themselves as stars in Japan.

It's not WWE or nothing, it's WWE or a dozens of other small minor league places (including Japan) - what's so hard to get about that? It's just facts. Until someone leaves WWE to work solely in Japan like AJ/Balor/Club left Japan solely for WWE, your argument is nothing more than fantasy.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

That said to bez, if wwe was such a big deal everywhere why did cody rhodes come out to CDQ at wrestlekindgom? It goes both ways.

 

[Superkick Party]

WWE doesn't even need ZSJ to be honest. Jack Gallagher looked more impressive during the tournament.

As a ZSJ fan I'll be honest, dude wasn't really trying because he knew it was bullshyt. At the same time Gallagher's gimmick and style works better in WWE then ZSJ's gimmick and style.

 

[prophecypro]

It's not WWE or nothing, it's WWE or a dozens of other small minor league places (including Japan) - what's so hard to get about that? It's just facts. Until someone leaves WWE to work solely in Japan like AJ/Balor/Club left Japan solely for WWE, your argument is nothing more than fantasy.

Except again, New Japan is not a minor league company. Just the fact they have a global television deal, a large dome and listening deals separates it from other companies.
And again, you've countless posters point facts to you which you've chosen to be obtuse and troll about it

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Except again, New Japan is not a minor league company. Just the fact they have a global television deal, a large dome and listening deals separates it from other companies.
And again, you've countless posters point facts to you which you've chosen to be obtuse and troll about it

If it's not minor league then why do all these guys have to work in 15 other places along with NJPW to earn a living?

LMAO @ "a large dome" but yet you gloss over the fact that they are drawing less people there now than they were three years ago.. but that's a legit first option alternative to WWE?

NJPW is miles behind what AAA was doing in Mid 90s when they actually did expand into the US, ran a PPV in America and were drawing house shows on par with WCW.

Don't get me wrong, NJPW is the biggest minor league team. But minor league is still minor league.