Lone Survivor Discussion... Spoilers

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Did they talk about Lohkay?

LOKHAY WARKAWAL: Lokhay Warkawal literally means `giving of a pot' but it implies the protection of an individual or a tribe. A weaker tribe to a stronger one with the object of ensuring its safety and security generally gives Lokhay. It is accepted in the form of a sacrificial animal such as a goat or a sheep. When a tribe accepts a Lokhay from another tribe, it undertakes the responsibility of safeguarding the latter's interests against its enemies and protects it at all costs.

It was big in the book.
 
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its not needed for this movie though, its not about telling the taliban side of the story :childplease:.... nikka expecting a pro taliban movie :rudy: you say they were dehumanizing them but the whole point of the village scene was the opposite?
Why are you acting so confused when I already explained my position...

In my first post I pointed out that the film was American War Propaganda, but if you put the politics aside, it is a good action movie...

So where is the beef, if we agree...?
 

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Am I a bad person for wanting to see that kid who was anxious to run off an alert the Taliban get shot....
It would have been the right thing to do breh...

There is no way I would have let that dirty sand fakkit mean grill and spit in my face like that...I don't care how old he is, letting a hostile go is a risk to my safety and I'm not taking that risk...He would of caught a hot one in the dome and dumped off the other side of the mountain without hesitation...

As for the other two...I could outrun an old man and a little kid who were clearly scared...I would of tied them up and left them a knife to cut themselves free...By the time they free themselves and make it down the mountain I'd be long gone...In hindsight though there was no way down that mountain so the only way to have avoided being surrounded is by clapping all three of them...
 

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I Dont understand why they didnt just take the hostages with them up to the mountain and then call for Evac. What kind of leadership is that? They didnt even get someone to scout the mountain to see the area. It took one simple thing like that and it fukked them.
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Not to mention how a 1 -2 round burst will make a arab backflip but several bullets and shrapnel wont put down an American?
Is it really that crazy that armored US Navy Seals can take more punishment than average Afghanis? :what:

Those "Americans" were trained and equipped to be like tanks if the shyt hits the fan...
 

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Is it really that crazy that armored US Navy Seals can take more punishment than average Afghanis? :what:

Those "Americans" were trained and equipped to be like tanks if the shyt hits the fan...
I was thinking the same exact thing until they were bleeding profusely and body parts were starting to stick out.
 

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I was thinking the same exact thing until they were bleeding profusely and body parts were starting to stick out.
That's because you don't understand that these guys were not normal men...

You are looking at this from the standpoint of normal man who can't make it through 5 minutes of seal training...Broken bones and non-life threatening gun shot wounds (wahlbergs character) are manageable injuries for dudes who were trained to withstand all types of pain...It's really not that hard to believe a training program that involves tying people up and drowning them can produce tough mothafukkas like that...
 

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The fukk? They were 0-16 shooting RPG's :dead:

I been shot at by RPG dozens of times...they only came close once. Movie's accurate there. :yeshrug:

Not to mention how a 1 -2 round burst will make a arab backflip but several bullets and shrapnel wont put down an American?

SEALS fire literally millions of rounds throughout their training. They hit dudes in the head and the heart. They are professional killers. Taliban sprays n prays. Plus, the human body can withstand much more than the human mind. Agree with what they do or not, physically they are among the toughest in the world.

I didn't like the fact that they didn't ALWAYS put subtitles when the Afghans were talking...They obviously do this to dehumanize them as savages, while the Americans are civilized heroes...

If you like a American war propaganda, then it is a good movie...But if you a person with multiple perspectives, don't think too much, just enjoy the action...

Have you read the book? I took it as the director trying to portray the uncertainty of Luttrell's situation. He had no clue if they were going to sell him out, or help him. If we knew what they were saying and he didn't it would take away some of the drama.


my take...dope movie. Actually more tame and believable then the book.
 
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As far as the movie the battle scene was done really well. Just like in the book. I feel like they kinda played Danny Dietz out though (Emile Hirsch) and made him seem like a little bit more scared/inexperienced than the other 3 guys. The book does not give that impression at all, and the whole part after the 2nd fall where Dietz is freaking out never happened in the book.

Okay back to non-spoilers.

Ben Foster is so underrated too. He was easily the best part of the movie IMO. He usually plays really intense and/or creepy people but he should be in way more flicks. He could play a pizza delivery driver and I feel like he'd be the most intense and convincing pizza boy ever.

And whoever did the stunts for the 2 falling sequences--hats off fellas. I don't know how there weren't some serious injuries there, and according to some of what I read, there were a few concussions and busted up ribs. That was brutal. I wanted to watch the battle scene again, but I kind of didn't. This movie sort of felt like Passion of the Christ for our military. Great great battle scene. Probably as good as any modern war sequence I've ever seen.
 

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I have a LiveLeak link to some of the actual footage of the battle and its aftermath as filmed by the Taliban. I don't want to violate any rules so I will post it in the spoiler tags below, and if this is breaking any rules I will happily remove it. You can hear all the shots, and then they show Michael Murphy and Danny Dietz' bodies and them waiving around Dietz' M4, so fair warning.
 

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I liked the movie but be honest. These dudes were missing kill shots with rpgs the entire time, expect for when they had a big ass target. It took these dudes a while to kill Ben Foster, who was already dead sitting up against a tree. The film took to the time outta his death scene to showcase how shytty of a shot these guys were.

Not to mention how a 1 -2 round burst will make a arab backflip but several bullets and shrapnel wont put down an American?

I know this isn't DEVGRU/Seal Team Six, but Team Six in its first year shot more ammo in training than the entire US Marine Corps. That's from an old Richard Marcinko book (the founder of Seal Team Six) so it may be hyperbole, but SEALs shoot a lot. All the time. They're arguably the most ruthless killers with the best weapons systems and training on the planet earth. They were using rifles with optics and they had thousands of hours behind the trigger. They're fighting farmers/villagers that probably have a very basic at best understanding of military tactics.

The SEALs are putting highly lethal ammo center mass or in the head, so they're going to drop the bad guys quick. The Taliban were spraying and praying. In the book Marcus details the wounds, which the movie pretty much followed as far as I could tell. There's also a difference between a gunshot that will kill you right away from trauma and a lethal wound. It's very likely that Dietz and Murphy had unsurvivable wounds. Meaning they could be shot on an operating table and be shyt out of luck. That doesn't always translate into instant death, and the mentality of these men is so strong that they will fight until their body shuts down.

I do agree the movie went out of it's way to show that with Foster's death. In real life no one knows if it went down exactly like that, since it took them longer to find Axelson than Murphy and Dietz. When Marcus and Axelson were hit with the RPG and separated, Marcus assumed that Axelson had died, so the search team didn't find his body where Marcus told them it would be. It was days later that they found Axelson further into the valley with pistol shell casings all around him, which let them know that he had continued the fight after the RPG blast.

I have mixed thoughts on the movie. I felt a few lines were forced "You can die for your country, I'm gonna live for mine" but overall the movie told the story of Marcus' account. It was true to the book. Which I think is all Peter Berg wanted to do. Still on the fence about Emile Hirsch in this movie, but whatever. Minor complaint.
 
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