LL Cool J finally reveals why he had an issue with Canibus original verse for the song 4,3,2,1.

[Sonic Boom of the South]

"Finally"?

LL said this from day 1.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Let's be honest....muthafukkin Wyclef spoiled it

 

[Taadow]

Should've left the whole mic shyt alone from the start.

Yeah, he should’ve. But you know what? That’s just young nicca chit.

Just like when it seemed everybody was getting the iced out Jesus Pieces.
Somebody shoulda pulled all the copycats aside and said “somebody’s already got that. Make up your own chit”.

 

[C-Styles]

also at the same time Wyclef was a young "producer" and i'm using that term producer lightly because the mf had no sense of direction. He didn't DIRECT Canibus on anything, he just said, "here, these are beats i cooked up, do what you will with them". Had Canibus have a Dr Dre, a Jermaine Dupri, hell, even the whole Illmatic panel, we'd be looking at him a whole lot different. A great player needs a good coach or else you end up being Mitch Richmond. Full of potential with no one to maximize on it!

 

[Awesome Wells]

also at the same time Wyclef was a young "producer" and i'm using that term producer lightly because the mf had no sense of direction. He didn't DIRECT Canibus on anything, he just said, "here, these are beats i cooked up, do what you will with them". Had Canibus have a Dr Dre, a Jermaine Dupri, hell, even the whole Illmatic panel, we'd be looking at him a whole lot different. A great player needs a good coach or else you end up being Mitch Richmond. Full of potential with no one to maximize on it!

That's the thing though, Clef and Jerry said they tried to direct 'Bis. The whole fallout stemmed from them saying that he doesn't listen to anyone, but himself.

He said the LL battle didn't go the way Canibus wanted it to go, but he tried to guide him before the beef and after the album flopped, but 'Bis wasn't taking his advice and decided to do his own thing and enroll in the military and just leave. Then when he came back, he didn't want Wyclef involved with the second album that sold even less! Canibus says now that Clef was the only one trying to help him, but back then he wasn't listening to dude's advice.

 

[re'up]

From that era, but never fukked with Canibus, aside from his few mainstream features, like the Gone Til November remix and 4 3 2 1

remix was super fire though, forgot R Kelly on here wow

was this just one a single or the album? Think my homies sister had this album and we played it all the time.

Canbus always a weirdo.

 

[re'up]

 

[threattonature]

That's the thing though, Clef and Jerry said they tried to direct 'Bis. The whole fallout stemmed from them saying that he doesn't listen to anyone, but himself.

He said the LL battle didn't go the way Canibus wanted it to go, but he tried to guide him before the beef and after the album flopped, but 'Bis wasn't taking his advice and decided to do his own thing and enroll in the military and just leave. Then when he came back, he didn't want Wyclef involved with the second album that sold even less! Canibus says now that Clef was the only one trying to help him, but back then he wasn't listening to dude's advice.

He didn't go to the army until after the 3rd album. After that weird ass album and Canibus joining up to the army people thought he lost his damn mind.

 

[re'up]

He didn't go to the army until after the 3rd album. After that weird ass album and Canibus joining up to the army people thought he lost his damn mind.

don't remember exactly when but around 2000, probably I was on SOHH, there was the pics of Canibus in the Army uniform and by then, a series of bad albums, and people 100% thought he had lost it lol

 

[King Poetic]

Canibus just like a lot of rappers didn’t have that insight on how to make albums that appeal outside of the apollo

However second round knockout was better than any of LL disses to him….

 

[god shamgod]

fukk all that when the album dropping??

If your slow stupid ass looked on Apple Music you would know

 

[C-Styles]

i forgot to add as well that D'Angelo's "Devil's pie" was first offered to Canibus from Premo and he passed on it, saying it wasn't Premo's "best" or something of that nature. Like dude said earlier, you couldn't TELL BIZ SH*T! He ain't try to get no direction from anyone.

 

[TripleAgent]

Canibus career was ruined because of wack music. If anything LL helped him. Name another track from his debut that would have generated the huge amount of buzz for people to buy it...

I see what you are saying and in theory, that would have been the safest route. However, i remember back then, Canibus was considered the second coming and the 2nd round KO track was very well received. In fact I would argue it was looking shaky for LL back then. And people were rooting for Canibus to win so he had the momentum. To me it really comes down to the direction of the first album. Both production wise as well as content wise it's not what people expected. He went a little bit too left with it. Had he delivered on that first album, i think we might be having a different convo today. Hell his second album is what the first one should have been.

All respect to LL and i might be wrong but i remember people not really fukking with Ls response like that in real time.

His debut album was so ass. I remember XXL gave it an M (basically 2/5) but I bought a lot of CDs back then and decided fukk it, there's gotta be something on here. It was nothing but duds besides 2nd Round KO.

I thought giving it a 2 was going too far but it was weak overall. I fukked with Buckingham Palace heavy when it came out. The main thing to me is the album just sounds cheaply made. Sounds like some mixtape shyt for real, even the sounds aren't crisp on top of the songs being weak.

Let's be honest....muthafukkin Wyclef spoiled it

 

[Awesome Wells]

i forgot to add as well that D'Angelo's "Devil's pie" was first offered to Canibus from Premo and he passed on it, saying it wasn't Premo's "best" or something of that nature. Like dude said earlier, you couldn't TELL BIZ SH*T! He ain't try to get no direction from anyone.

FACTS!

Premier said that Canibus doesn't like that he tells that story. He said D'Angelo called him right after Canibus left, and he played the beat for D'Angelo in the studio and he went crazy for it, lol.

Dude came into Def Jam for a meeting, and the label was gearing up for Def Jam 2000, which was basically like a revamp for the label focused on street records and albums. So every artist, from Onyx, LL, Jay, X, Ja, Slick Rick, etc, were all getting these massive budgets and promo campaigns to fuel their projects. Everyone would end up going gold or multi-platinum. Def Jam thought Canibus would fit with the roster, so he was offered a crazy deal that would allow him to pick any producers he wanted, have a crazy marketing campaign, street team, whatever features, etc. Dude turned down the deal and said he would rather sign a deal that would allow him to "build Hip Hop from the ground up" at a major. So he signed directly with UMG, who didn't even have a Hip Hop department or team, and they didn't know what to do with him or how to even promote his music for two albums. So he flopped TWICE. Back to back projects, and ended up getting dropped right after.

Dude was one of those people you couldn't tell anything to. Who thought he knew everything.

 

[TripleAgent]

Dude came into Def Jam for a meeting, and the label was gearing up for Def Jam 2000, which was basically like a revamp for the label focused on street records and albums. So every artist, from Onyx, LL, Jay, X, Slick Rick, etc, were all getting these massive budgets and promo campaigns to fuel their projects. Everyone would end up going gold or multi-platinum. Def Jam thought Canibus would fit with the roster, so he was offered a crazy deal that would allow him to pick any producers he wanted, have a crazy marketing campaign, street team, whatever features, etc. Dude turned down the deal and said he would rather sign a deal that would allow him to "build Hip Hop from the ground up" at a major. So he signed directly with UMG, who didn't even have a Hip Hop department or team, and they didn't know what to do with him or how to even promote his music for two albums. So he flopped TWICE. Back to back projects, and ended up getting dropped right after.

Dude was one of those people you couldn't tell anything to. Who thought he knew everything.

Basically, he had the chance to make Illmatic with a better budget. fukk