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If we take DeJean it better be to play safety

 

[Leonard Washington]

Roger with the Dom Mysterious heat

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Hilarious narrative

Now we pretending Roman WIlson and AJ Barner carried JJ or that he didnt have to consistently make plays out of the pocket

He wasn’t being carried like a bum,relax . Every decent prospect has had to make those kind of plays .

It’s much easier to operate when you have what he had in Ann Arbor from coaching to the players around him.

 

[papa pimp]

 

[kingofnyc]

i preferred when the draft was just about the draft …. the fukk is all this extra bullshyt … but imma old nikka

 

[Rell]

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[FukkaPaidEmail]

She holdin….

 

[Braman]

I’m talking about NFL Goff

High level roster ,go out there and don’t be the reason shyt goes left.

As prospects they’re not close .

Actually NFL combine database actually has McCarthy as a higher rated prospect He’s an 83. Goff was a 80. (Wentz was a 86)

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

If we take DeJean it better be to play safety

Cooper legit nice in the slot or at safety .

 

[Flex Luger]

All this fukking talking. Get to the damn picks

 

[calh45]

Solid breakdowns (except for JJ). I’d add a few counters/modifications:

- Manzel failed largely bc of off field stuff, lack of prep. I’d say Baker mayfield is Manziel actualized. So if Caleb is baker with better arm talent that’s a great floor.

-Agree on Maye, expect him going to NE is TERRIBLE bc forget the development they have no weapons .

-Commanders fan here so RG3 failed not only bc of injury but also he wasn’t liked, he thought he knew everything. Jaden is the opposite. So being RG3 w/ better locker room presence & more league protections for QBs = scary

Back to JJ. I’d disagree that game manager isn’t tied to arm strength. Typically that’s what that implies. But ok let’s look at another barometer: yards per attempt. That speaks directly to what a QB is asked to do. Is he just dink and dunk., can he push downfield. Typically 8 is average. 9 and up is noteworthy. Career YPA:

Caleb- 9.2
Daniels- 8.9 (11.7 this year 2nd all time)
Maye- 8.4
Nix- 8.5 (11.3 this year)
Penix- 8.2 (8.8 this year)
McCarthy- 8.7 (9 this year)

So he’s got the arm, he WASNT just dunk n dunk he was airing it out the same as others just less volume. And for reference, Josh freeman was at 7ypa

So JJ is unique. Usually the big arm guy is seen as a gunslinger , upside play, etc. But JJ has the intangibles and IQ but ALSO the arm talent. Doesn’t come across often.The name that comes to mind as a comp is Deshaun Watson.

Wait. YPA doesn't strictly tell the entire story with JJ though. Most of this year he's been playing from a place of comfort both score wise and strategically. He's the one QB on that list playing defenses who's primary focus was stopping the run. Teams WANTED him throwing the ball and that should be the biggest knock against ANY QB. That's not even getting into Daniels, Penix, Maye, and Caleb playing with bottom 50 defenses so they HAD to score.

My definition of game manager has never had anything to do with physical attributes, but if other teams think it's to their advantage for a QB to be throwing the ball then his play style should NEVER be above game manager.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Wanted him to drop to the lions

That was an unrealistic ass wish

 

[Braman]

My guys to watch Jaylen Wright, Trey Benson, or Johnathan brooks going to Dallas or LAC would be instant starters and possible stars

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Coleman can go get the ball. I think he's more of a #2 in the NFL but he'll be solid.

 

[Braman]

Wait. YPA doesn't strictly tell the entire story with JJ though. Most of this year he's been playing from a place of comfort both score wise and strategically. He's the one QB on that list playing defenses who's primary focus was stopping the run. Teams WANTED him throwing the ball and that should be the biggest knock against ANY QB. That's not even getting into Daniels, Penix, Maye, and Caleb playing with bottom 50 defenses so they HAD to score.

My definition of game manager has never had anything to do with physical attributes, but if other teams think it's to their advantage for a QB to be throwing the ball then his play style should NEVER be above game manager.

Counterpoint, he didn’t have 3 NFL WRs like Penix and Daniels.