Little Brother - May the Lord Watch (Discussion Thread)

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The Long Road to Little Brother's Unexpected, Triumphant Return

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But at that cookout at Phonte’s house the day after Art of Cool, he and Big Pooh decided it was time to go for it (9th Wonder was invited to the cookout but couldn’t make it because he was out of town). The duo subsequently reached out to him, and the trio agreed to start working on a new album together. But when it came time for 9th Wonder to submit beats for May the Lord Watch, which was originally to be titled Homecoming, it seemed to Phonte and Big Pooh that the Grammy-winning producer wasn’t recognizing how much they had grown musically over the years.

Between Phonte fronting the sophisticated soul outfit The Foreign Exchange with Dutch producer Nicolay and Big Pooh recording entire solo projects over beefy production by Nottz and Apollo Brown, the two felt they had outgrown their affinity for the dirty boom-bap that 9th Wonder provided on The Listening and The Minstrel Show.

“I said, ‘Look man, I think you’re sending us what in your mind is your best Little Brother beats, but we need your best 9th Wonder beats, period. Send us the same shyt you send Rick Ross or Nas,’” Phonte says. “To me, it was all a part of the process. We just had to shake the rust off. If you’re willing to work with me, I will stay through the mud with you until it’s over. We have to figure this shyt out together.”

While they were waiting for more from 9th Wonder, Phonte and Pooh started combing through a hard drive of beats from other producers that Phonte hadn’t used on his second solo album, 2018’s No News Is Good News. It didn’t take long before they came across beats that they were mutually geeked about recording to.

But according to Phonte, 9th Wonder felt he should handle all the production duties on a Little Brother album called Homecoming. (The INDY reached out to 9th Wonder through his representation at Jamla Records for comment but received no replies.) Phonte says he was angry, and that he called 9th Wonder to offer an analogy about a father who leaves a family for years and then returns.

“And it’s cool. It’s great,” Phonte says. “He’s welcomed back into the family. But mom has remarried. You have a whole new family dynamic now. So you can’t come back into the family and tell the stepdaddy how many seats he can get at graduation. … Who are you to say that brothers like Pete Rock, Nottz, and Illmind, who all helped keep the LB name alive, don’t even deserve a shot or a seat at the table?”

When the three next talked, Phonte and Big Pooh say that they had already decided to use just one of the songs that they had recorded over 9th Wonder’s beats. They claim that he agreed to stand behind the album and rejoin the group, but with the stipulation that he only appear with and deejay for the group during festival shows, leaving the deejaying duties for all other tour dates to Little Brother’s longtime tour deejay, DJ Flash. Phonte and Big Pooh rejected that offer. To them, it was all or nothing. No 9th Wonder-produced song appears on May the Lord Watch."


I understand both perspectives.

Phonte and Pooh basically kept LB going after 9th for all intents and purposes left the group after The Listening. For him to come in saying “I’m doing ALL these beats” was probably like a slap in the face to both of them, but especially Phonte.

On the other hand, if you are 9th, and you really want to take it back to the ESSENCE of what Little Brother is (in your mind) then that means you making the beats for your brothers to rock to. And you probably have a vision for what you feel like they SHOULD be rocking to.

At the end of the day, everybody agrees Phonte is the leader of Little Brother. If Te says it goes it goes. And if it don’t it don’t.
 

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That Indyweek interview just kind of confirms to me that there is still a little heat with the two and 9th. I get both sides though.
 

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Lot of Goon rappers press up 100 CDs and call it a day. No way LB wouldn’t have moved 1000. Wasted opportunity.

If an album’s really dope I get the CD for the car and the vinyl. :pdahellclean:

CDs are dead now breh, a bunch of my favourite releases in the last couple of years haven't had a CD release, we gotta face facts :mjcry:
 

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I understand both perspectives.

Phonte and Pooh basically kept LB going after 9th for all intents and purposes left the group after The Listening. For him to come in saying “I’m doing ALL these beats” was probably like a slap in the face to both of them, but especially Phonte.

On the other hand, if you are 9th, and you really want to take it back to the ESSENCE of what Little Brother is (in your mind) then that means you making the beats for your brothers to rock to. And you probably have a vision for what you feel like they SHOULD be rocking to.

At the end of the day, everybody agrees Phonte is the leader of Little Brother. If Te says it goes it goes. And if it don’t it don’t.
I get both sides too. I gotta keep it a buck though. Knowing that 9th wasn't a part of things since 2003 in any significant capacity, I lean more towards Pooh and Phonte. Keep in mind LB's fist 12" vinyl ever had a b-side produced by Nicolay. Neither The Listening not The Minstrel Show were fully produced by 9th, and each Chitlin Circuit mixtape that dropped in between those 2 albums had all sorts of production from Khrysis, Illmind, Nicolay, Pete Rock, Oddisee, DJ Spinna, and others.

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:dead:At this drama. These 3 will never truly get along. I think it’s hilarious now that the album is actually really good and everybody loves it. I can sit back and laugh at it now

:heh: At 9th still having the stipulations of not wanting to have to tour. Dude. Doesn’t. Want. To. Be. In. A. Group. And has not since 2003 It’s that simple.
 

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If yall don't listen to any of the LB interviews, peep this one



This shyt had me crackin up, they just chopped it up about random shyt. Comedy, Phonte not watching Martin growing up, Nissan/Toyota, black women etc. They talked about LB music MAYBE 2 mins out of the 90+ min conversation


This was really good. Glad you brought it to our attention

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If yall don't listen to any of the LB interviews, peep this one



This shyt had me crackin up, they just chopped it up about random shyt. Comedy, Phonte not watching Martin growing up, Nissan/Toyota, black women etc. They talked about LB music MAYBE 2 mins out of the 90+ min conversation

Thanks for link. Phonte just an entertaining person period. No matter the topic. One thing I don't like about Questlove Supreme, and I get it because of the format, is Phonte not able to speak as much. He originally said he was bringing his podcast back before that one started.
 

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Thanks for link. Phonte just an entertaining person period. No matter the topic. One thing I don't like about Questlove Supreme, and I get it because of the format, is Phonte not able to speak as much. He originally said he was bringing his podcast back before that one started.

Gordon Gartrell Radioooooo

HUUUUMP DAAAAAAAAY

Archives are still up: Gordon Gartrell Radio

I listen every once in a while cuz Brainchild's music choices were A-1. Looking back at the tracklists, I see so many joints I was put on thru the pod
 

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i aint mad that there is no 9th on this album. lets be honest some of 9th/soul council production for the most part recently has been :francis: with the exception of smif n wessun's album and rapsody. :yeshrug:

Ever since they've gone by "Soul Council", the best and most innovative beats have come from:

Nottz
Khrysis
Eric G
9th Wonder
E. Jones

In that order.

I don't wanna turn this into (or continue?) the 9th bashing thread, but 9th is highly fukking overrated. Not wack. Just overrated. And I say that as someone who types "9th Wonder" into his iTunes and has 890 9th Wonder credited beats/songs.

:tuckerreally:
 

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:dead:At this drama. These 3 will never truly get along. I think it’s hilarious now that the album is actually really good and everybody loves it. I can sit back and laugh at it now

:heh: At 9th still having the stipulations of not wanting to have to tour. Dude. Doesn’t. Want. To. Be. In. A. Group. And has not since 2003 It’s that simple.

I look forward to a day that Little Brother is discussed without 9th Wonder. They have surpassed him. In 2019 I'd rather hear Phonte and Big Pooh raps than a 9th Wonder beat.
 
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