Let's Talk Afro-Geopolitics II: The Future of the Nigerian State

[Red Shield]

The darkest possible timeline for Africa. My hope is for there to be gradual devolution to ethnic groups and regions within African states to ease anxieties but it seems unlikely to happen because governments believe that centralization is the key to maintaining national unity/territorial integrity. Nigeria is no different. Nigeria is a federal state with a strong centre. Its accomplished this structurally by controlling oil resources within the country and having the sole rights of redistribution while also dividing the country into 36 states (most of which are not economically viable).

I don't think it's the darkest possible timeline...

Africa can't go back to that tribal period and have 100s of tiny countries...

I mean ethnic cleansing, tribes marrying into each other and becoming one, etc.. is how nation stations organically/naturally come into being.




shyt will be bad for the tribes on the losing end... but.. well that's just the way the cookie crumbles

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I don't think it's the darkest possible timeline...

Africa can't go back to that tribal period and have 100s of tiny countries...

I mean ethnic cleansing, tribes marrying into each other and becoming one, etc.. is how nation stations organically/naturally come into being.




shyt will be bad for the tribes on the losing end... but.. well that's just the way the cookie crumbles

You need to understand that these tribes are no longer 'tribes'. They're nations. There are more Hausa people than there are African-Americans. There are more Yoruba people than there are people living in Canada. It's the darkest timeline because of the amount of death and destruction it would cause. It would take Africa centuries to recover from such an outcome.

Ethnic accommodation/assimilation is possible within countries (ex. Tanzania), it's just that Nigeria has been cursed with immoral leadership from the very beginning.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Ive said it before and i will say it again Nigeria needs a dictator or someone with authoritative power, the corruption levels make basic governance impossible.




Presidents using the national treasure like a bank account heads need to roll

Nigeria tried that with Buhari. Didn't work. Unsurprisingly, unaccountable governments do not end corruption. Nigeria is too diverse and complex for its citizenry to obey a dictator again.

 

[Red Shield]

You need to understand that these tribes are no longer 'tribes'. They're nations. There are more Hausa people than there are African-Americans. There are more Yoruba people than there are people living in Canada. It's the darkest timeline because of the amount of death and destruction it would cause. It would take Africa centuries to recover from such an outcome.

Ethnic accommodation/assimilation is possible within countries (ex. Tanzania), it's just that Nigeria has been cursed with immoral leadership from the very beginning.

I see what your saying... but what I'm talking about is unavoidable..

Then those bigger tribes can either
1.come to an agreement
2.throw down
3.roll out to where far smaller tribes are and either do 1 or 2.


this shyt is unavoidable

 

[Samori Toure]

You need to understand that these tribes are no longer 'tribes'. They're nations. There are more Hausa people than there are African-Americans. There are more Yoruba people than there are people living in Canada. It's the darkest timeline because of the amount of death and destruction it would cause. It would take Africa centuries to recover from such an outcome.

Ethnic accommodation/assimilation is possible within countries (ex. Tanzania), it's just that Nigeria has been cursed with immoral leadership from the very beginning.

African Americans see themselves as African Americans. By and large they can not remember a time when they were not in America. Hausa people can remember a time when there was no such place called Nigeria. They still identify themselves as Hausa just as often as they identify themselves as Nigerian. The Hausa also seem pretty closely aligned with the Fulani people not only in Nigeria, but in Cameroon too. So ethnic identity does not seem to stop at artificial colonial made State borders.

You would need mass assimilation for these countries not to break apart along ethnic lines. Mass assimilation is not likely to happen, because the disputes between the groups have been going on for generations and there are also religious implications to a lot of this stuff (Christianity, Islam and ancestry worship). What is more likely to happen is what happened in places like Yugoslavia, Rawanda, Sudan, etc. That ethnic shyt is deep.

 

[LurkMoar]

Nigeria tried that with Buhari. Didn't work. Unsurprisingly, unaccountable governments do not end corruption. Nigeria is too diverse and complex for its citizenry to obey a dictator again.

Good luck to the homeland then

 

[Poitier]

I mean ethnic cleansing, tribes marrying into each other and becoming one, etc.. is how nation stations organically/naturally come into being.

this is eurocentric

 

[Red Shield]

this is eurocentric

I mean I can kinda see what you're saying....


But other places like Japan went through the same shyt

 

[Poitier]

I mean I can kinda see what you're saying....


But other places like Japan went through the same shyt

multi-ethnic states can work.

 

[Red Shield]

multi-ethnic states can work.

You got any examples of that?

 

[Poitier]

You got any examples of that?

the vast majority of human history

 

[Red Shield]

the vast majority of human history

Yeah...I'm really not seeing that





the norm throughout human history's looks to be.. that multi-ethnic states don't last and then break apart. That their only held together by strong centralization.

 

[Poitier]

Yeah...I'm really not seeing that





the norm throughout human history's looks to be.. that multi-ethnic states don't last and then break apart. That their only held together by strong centralization.

if by history you mean western european history

 

[Red Shield]

if by history you mean western european history

I'm talking globally breh... I'm not seeing what your saying..

 

[Poitier]

I'm talking globally breh... I'm not seeing what your saying..

you need to hit the books