Lets Talk African History:"Sahel" West African Civilizations

[MajorVitaman]

Got some juicy info. Especially for those who claim people of West African descent had nothing to do with the Moors. Apparently there was this dynasty called Banu Ghaniya or people/ Children of Ghana who were apart of the Almoravid dynasty and ruled SPAIN!



Banu Ghaniya - Wikipedia


So I'm guessing thus dynasty was a mixture of Sonniki(Ghanaian), Sanhaja and Lamtuna. Their dynasty founder was none other than Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniya. Who ruled the Balearic islands of Spain.

@EastCoastNaga @Akan @LordCashmere @Raymond Burrr

So yea people may have to eat their words when they say people of West African descent had zero to do with the Moors.

eurocentrics and arabcentrics love to claim the Moors were just Arabs

great find i'd rep you but the rep button is missing on my screen for some reason

 

[Jammer22]

Got some juicy info. Especially for those who claim people of West African descent had nothing to do with the Moors. Apparently there was this dynasty called Banu Ghaniya or people/ Children of Ghana who were apart of the Almoravid dynasty and ruled SPAIN!



Banu Ghaniya - Wikipedia


So I'm guessing thus dynasty was a mixture of Sonniki(Ghanaian), Sanhaja and Lamtuna. Their dynasty founder was none other than Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniya. Who ruled the Balearic islands of Spain.

@EastCoastNaga @Akan @LordCashmere @Raymond Burrr

So yea people may have to eat their words when they say people of West African descent had zero to do with the Moors.

Good look, breh.

The way each of the different languages describes the Banu Ghaniya paints a very, very interesting picture.

You don't have an entire dynasty adopt a name like Ghana randomly.

This is taken directly from the notes sections of the Arabic wiki page for the Banu Ghaniya. The most extensive and... interesting of translations.

"Some sources built a Ghanaian called Balmiarqh proportion to their island Mallorca and sometimes designated Palmltman because their assets belonging to the people of the Tuareg famous Ppalartdae of tham to the day, but mostly on the sons are named Ghanaian relative to their mother a prostitute; that it was said of of Ghana , the African country known."





And another one.

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[Bawon Samedi]

Good look, breh.

The way each of the different languages describes the Banu Ghaniya paints a very, very interesting picture.

You don't have an entire dynasty adopt a name like Ghana randomly.

This is taken directly from the notes sections of the Arabic wiki page for the Banu Ghaniya. The most extensive and... interesting of translations.

"Some sources built a Ghanaian called Balmiarqh proportion to their island Mallorca and sometimes designated Palmltman because their assets belonging to the people of the Tuareg famous Ppalartdae of tham to the day, but mostly on the sons are named Ghanaian relative to their mother a prostitute; that it was said of of Ghana , the African country known."





And another one.

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Thanks!

 

[Jammer22]

Thanks!

The english and french articles along with the others would have us believe it's a coincidence some berber princess had the name. We gotta look at who actually joined these mixed tribes or confederations, and then look at Audoghast population.

Meanwhile, there's an actual polity that came into existence on the soil Ghana continually contested and claimed or lost.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

No I don't think that is true. The Mande people pretty much stayed in the countries that I indicated. They were not Jihadists, in fact they did not even make all of the other Mande people or any other people in their region convert to Islam. The Mande people were always very tolerant of other religions, which might explain why African Americans are pretty tolerant of other religions to this very day. So the Mandingos never invaded any land other than the ones in their own territory. They were always more interested in trade.

The Nigerian ethic groups (Yoruba and Igbo) were always were they are right now. The Yoruba had many Kingdoms like Benin, Oyo, etc. I think that the Igbo had a Kingdom called Nri. The Hausa people are actually Chadic, so they came to Nigeria from the East.

When you think of Jihads I think that you are thinking about the Fulani/Fula/Fulbe people. They were the ones that carried out the jihads. They started their jihads in Futa Toro and Futa Jollon, which was in the land of the Mandingos. However, the Mandingos were formidable fighters and they drove the Fulani people East into present day Nigeria. That is how the Fulani got to Nigeria and Cameroon.

The Mande people were pretty much only into trade and education; but definitely trade. The Mande people expanded their kingdom geographically, but it was pretty much for trade and to collect taxes/tribute. The expansion had nothing to do with expanding Islam, because the Mande people did not typically make other people convert; in fact they had great respect for their indigenous religions and didn't even make all of the other Mande people convert. That failure to follow strict Islam and embracing the indigenous belief system might be the reason that a lot of Mandingos joined the people of Songhay, when Songhay rebelled against the Kingdom of Mail.

A note about the Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo...

the Yoruba lived a bit further north than where they currently live. In fact, the Oyo Empire was founded a savanna-type of zone which allowed them to use horses.
As for the Igbo, the Igbo have long-lived in their homeland, but their population growth pushed their neighbours, such as the Igala, North and East.

The Hausa were pushed further West from Lake Chad due to Kanuri expansion a long time ago

 

[Bawon Samedi]

bump...

 

[Jemmy]

Got some juicy info. Especially for those who claim people of West African descent had nothing to do with the Moors. Apparently there was this dynasty called Banu Ghaniya or people/ Children of Ghana who were apart of the Almoravid dynasty and ruled SPAIN!



Banu Ghaniya - Wikipedia


So I'm guessing thus dynasty was a mixture of Sonniki(Ghanaian), Sanhaja and Lamtuna. Their dynasty founder was none other than Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniya. Who ruled the Balearic islands of Spain.

@EastCoastNaga @Akan @LordCashmere @Raymond Burrr

So yea people may have to eat their words when they say people of West African descent had zero to do with the Moors.

This is a great post. Props.

 

[Apollo Creed]

African Ancestry said I was a berber on my moms side

 

[Bawon Samedi]

African Ancestry said I was a berber on my moms side

you have INDIRECT East African or European or Middle Eastern ancestry then.

 

[Apollo Creed]

you have INDIRECT East African or European or Middle Eastern ancestry then.

Nah. Berbers are an multi racial ethnic group there are “Black” Berbers and then you have the mixed race ones. I believe many of the Black berbers were considered a slave class. I dont have any non african DNA on any lf my other test so Im pretty sure they are just talking about Black berbers.

Many of the Mande people originate (or go back as far as) from East Africa (with some even saying the Levant) according to oral traditions.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Nah. Berbers are an multi racial ethnic group there are “Black” Berbers and then you have the mixed race ones. I believe many of the Black berbers were considered a slave class. I dont have any non african DNA on any lf my other test so Im pretty sure they are just talking about Black berbers.

Many of the Mande people originate (or go back as far as) from East Africa (with some even saying the Levant) according to oral traditions.

Not all of the Black Berbers were. The darker skinned Tuaregs are considered an elite class.

Anyways im fukking wit you lol.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Not all of the Black Berbers were. The darker skinned Tuaregs are considered an elite class.

Anyways im fukking wit you lol.

Yeah my results were Tuareg to be specific lol. My moms side of the family were Muslim too so I wasnt shocked. My tribe isnt an islamic tribe but we were always in proximity of muslisms.

 

[Cynic]

Very informative and balanced video.

Timestamps from the link:
00:00 = Intro
00:50 = The Empire of Ghana
06:18 = Djenne-Djenno
09:53 = Ghana,the land of gold
14:15 = Ghana, a trading empire
17:15 = The spread of Islam in West Africa
19:46 = The fall of the Ghana Empire
23:13 = The Empire of Mali
27:21 = Timbuktu
28:45 = Djenne
36:15 = Mansa Musa
38:07 = Traveller's testimonies of West African empire
42:20 = Timbuktu
46:17 = Islamic and Scholar center of sub-saharan Africa
01:01:30 = The Songhay Empire
01:10:06 = The legacy of West African Empires

where is this documentary ?

 

[MischievousMonkey]

I'm looking for Yoro Diao work on the internet. He compiled towards the middle of the XIXth century extensive info on Wolof/Jolof kingdoms, their inception, how they worked, what they believed in... But also oral history (which was still prevalent at the time) about the Egyptian origin of the Wolof people amongst other ethnic groups found in West Africa. Dude toured the region and recollected infos from the griots and the elders at a time where oral transmission was prevalent. Too bad he had to work for the enemy.

From Wikipedia:

Senegalese historian, Boubacar Lam, a disciple of Cheikh Anta Diop, also encountered the compiled and collected work of Yoro Dyao, such as his works on migrations from the Nile Valley to West Africa.[4] Yoro Dyao indicated that there was a widespread oral tradition among the peoples of Senegal and Senegambia: "The general opinion in all of Senegambia being that our country owes its peopling to migrations out of Egypt, from which descend all of its population."[3] In Chronicles of Senegalese Foùta, Dyao gave account of six population migrations from Egypt to Senegambia:[3][13][14]

• In the first migration, composed of the Dya'go, Dyao highlighted that they migrated out of Egypt armed with metal (hogo) assegais, sabers, daggers, and knives, bringing along with them armor, as well as their industrious wisdom of metallurgy; they inaugurated the sorghum culture to prevent flooding from the Senegal River; the migration took place under the king of Egypt, identified as "Pate Lamine"; the words, whether used separately or together, are used among the Mandinka, the Peuls, the Khassonké, the Sarakhollé, and to some extent, among the Wolof.[3][13][14]
• In the second migration, composed of the Manna (named after their chief leader), which was caused by the vexations of the king of Egypt, Sossé Touré, Dyao notes that they were much more numerous than the Dya'go; they sojourned through the desert, settled near the Senegal River, and peopled Fouta; as they seized political power from the Galos, their leaders bore the title of Fari (Emperor), which is used among the Wolof and Peul. The Bambara, Malinké, Soninké, and Khassonké are also said to have come along with this migration.[3][13][14]
• In the third migration, composed of the Tondyon people, Dyao made note of their migration being more important than the Dya'go and Manna migrations, as they had seized the titles and rights to rule from the Fari and bestowed it upon their leaders, the Farang; Farang was a title used for their rulers, as well as the king of Egypt, who caused them to expatriate due to the continuous menial tasks they were being commanded to perform; as part of an extended Farang Empire, some of the migrants settled near the Senegal River, in the Sokhotoro, Kindila, Gangari, and Tambo-Dougoura, and became known as Soninké. The Bambara, Malinké, and Khassonké are also said to have come along with this migration.[3][13][14]
• In the fourth and fifth migrations, composed of Tourmiss and Koli-Tenguella, respectively, which was caused due to the excessive demands of the Farang of Egypt, it was noted by Dyao as being comparatively smaller than the Dya'go, Manna, and Tondyon migrations; while partly composed of Soninké, Bambara, Malinké, Khassonké, and other Manding, these migrations were largely composed of Fulani, to which the leader, Tourmiss, belonged, and ultimately, resulted in the spread of the Fulani throughout the six countries of Senegambia.[3][13][14]
• In the sixth migration, composed of the Turi-Siny, or Lam-Toro (also the title of its leader), Moussa departed with some of the group he would travel with, from Tripi Sing, near Mecca, and others from the group in Egypt; he arrived as a cavalry in Senegal, overthrew Ymido, defeated the Kalimou quarter, and proclaimed himself king, which led to subsequent migrations and state formations in the region.

Historian Aboubacry Moussa Lam also reviewed his work so his take on it could be interesting.

 

[Jammer22]

Wanted to get folks take on this.

I purchased this book "West African Before The Empire of Ghana" from Amazon, trying to look into oral histories of Pre-imperial phase Ghana.

@Jesus is my protector @Sonni


This gentleman came up, and I was really interested in if anyone had come across similar information. There's information that I'm thinking the translation might be off in English coming from French too. Still very fascinating. I have have been trying to track down the sources used but it's been hard. It's either in translated French or to the historian's website. I get oral history is hard, but I just wanted to see if anybody had any more insight.







I have more post coming.