Lets Talk African History:"Sahel" West African Civilizations

[Samori Toure]

Just finished reading up on the Mane (Mali or Mande) Invasion.

The article that I read details how the Kingdom of Mali invaded the lands to the West, Southwest and South of Mali; specifically the current countries of Senegal, The Gambia, Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. The Kingdom of Mali already had commercial interests in modern day Ivory Coast and Ghana, but the invasion was done to extend Mali's trade with coastal peoples to the West and Southwest of Mali after Mali lost some of it's Northern commercial routes to Songhay after Songhay rebelled against Mali.

One of the significance of the Mane invasion is that many African Americans, Caribbean and Brazilians trace their ancestry to the Mali people (Malinke/Mandinkas/Mandingo (aka Mende, Kpelle, Susu, Vai, etc.)) that were eventually captured a century or more later in the tribal warfare in Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia, Senegal, Ivory Coast and Guinea. The captured people were of course sold as slaves to the Europeans.

http://www.webmande.net/bibliotheque/massing/mane_mali_decline_mandinka_expansion.pdf

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Just finished reading up on the Mane (Mali or Mande) Invasion.

The article that I read details how the Kingdom of Mali invaded the lands to the West, Southwest and South of Mali; specifically the current countries of Senegal, The Gambia, Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. The Kingdom of Mali already had commercial interests in modern day Ivory Coast and Ghana, but the invasion was done to extend Mali's trade with coastal peoples to the West and Southwest of Mali after Mali lost some of it's Northern commercial routes to Songhay after Songhay rebelled against Mali.

One of the significance of the Mane invasion is that many African Americans, Caribbean and Brazilians trace their ancestry to the Mali people (Malinke/Mandinkas/Mandingo (aka Mende, Kpelle, Susu, Vai, etc.)) that were eventually captured a century or more later in the tribal warfare in Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia, Senegal, Ivory Coast and Guinea. The captured people were of course sold as slaves to the Europeans.

http://www.webmande.net/bibliotheque/massing/mane_mali_decline_mandinka_expansion.pdf

From the Peopling of Africa thread:

 

[MikelArteta]

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

Love this thread

 

[MajorVitaman]

So much gold in here

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I'm curious what shipbuilding technology Malians could have used if they wanted to venture across the Atlantic?

could someone answer this?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Sonni I found a goldmine...


Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

@Sonni I found a goldmine...


Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

 

[Sinnerman]

Didn't the Romans go down to Ancient Ghana, after the destruction of Carthage? I think they wanted to see where the Carthaginians got their gold.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Didn't the Romans go down to Ancient Ghana, after the destruction of Carthage? I think they wanted to see where the Carthaginians got their gold.

Do you have a source??? Because that would be HUGE.

 

[Sinnerman]

Do you have a source??? Because that would be HUGE.

Bakri likewise informs us that the Nunghamarta were a group of traders who exported gold from Iresni, on the Upper Senegal, to all countries. This city is very close to the gold-bearing stronghold of Ghiaru, previously mentioned. 4 After the destruction of Carthage by Scipio Africanus Minor, the Roman expedition which pursued the fleeing Carthaginians to discover where they got their gold, reached this point, the source of the Bambuk (the name given by the Romans to the Senegal River). The existence of whole groups devoted to commerce (the ancestors of the present-day Djula and Sarakolle) being confirmed, there remains to be defined the type of exchange they practiced. The characteristics of modern economic activity could already be detected in it: the existence of money, a well-defined tariff system, and cosmopolitan commerce centers throughout each country. In addition to the two previously mentioned cities, Timbuktu and Djenné, known as far as Asia and Europe, there were Biru, Soo, Ndôb, Péksè, 5 and so on. In all these centers foreign nationals had their own quarters in which they could live in the utmost security with their goods, while pursuing their business.

Diop, Cheikh Anta. Precolonial Black Africa (Kindle Locations 2111-2116). Chicago Review Press. Kindle Edition.

I copied this from my kindle

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Diop, Cheikh Anta. Precolonial Black Africa (Kindle Locations 2111-2116). Chicago Review Press. Kindle Edition.

I copied this from my kindle

 

[Jammer22]

Here's a link to a paper about a site that's older than Jenne-Jeno yet younger than the Dhar Tichitt compounds.

It is known as Dia.

http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1444342/1/U591645.pdf

 

[Sonni]

@Sonni I found a goldmine...


Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

Contacts Between West Africa and Roman North Africa: Archaeometallurgical Results from Kissi, Northeastern Burkina Faso

thanks breh. will definitely check that out.

 

[Jammer22]

It's a tale about Wagadugu's (Ghana) ruler, Gassire, and his pursuit of immortality through obtaining a legend for himself. He would instead become the ancestor to all soninke griot's, but not before he endured multiple tragedies in the pursuit of his ambition.

Here's a link to the words:


And here's a link to the tale of Fanta Maa.

Fanta Maa — Wikipédia

(You'll have to translate it from french, so it's a little awkward.)

Here's a summary from some english books.

The way the wind blows
The great warming
https://books.google.com/books?id=f...TYIDSEQ6AEIWzAM#v=onepage&q=fanta maa&f=false

It's a tale about the ancestor hunter to the Bozo people, who are said to be the oldest group on the IND (Inner Niger Delta).