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This reminds me I'm bout to fukk this bad lil jawn from north Sudan.
Lets Talk African History: Ancient Nubia
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not exactly an history geek (especially when compared to some of the ,more extreme armchair scholars i run across online)but i got a casual interest on African history and like to enlighten myself when i get the chance as long as i have time and it's not too much to read
...Sudan's has some very impressive Kemetic ruins in it's own right but you would never know it cause mainstream Egyptionologist only focus on those that lie across the border to the North for obvious reasons
anyone knows what language are the hieroglyphics in Nubian emples are written in and how does it compare with other temples in other regions of Egypt? i've noticed alot of the people in Luxor black and thus closer to the original people of Kemet outside of anyone in Egypt outside of maybe of Beja or Nubians in Upper Egypt...does anyone know whether the people of Luxor are considered Nubians by other Egyptians and if not what
...Sudan's has some very impressive Kemetic ruins in it's own right but you would never know it cause mainstream Egyptionologist only focus on those that lie across the border to the North for obvious reasonsanyone knows what language are the hieroglyphics in Nubian emples are written in and how does it compare with other temples in other regions of Egypt? i've noticed alot of the people in Luxor black and thus closer to the original people of Kemet outside of anyone in Egypt outside of maybe of Beja or Nubians in Upper Egypt...does anyone know whether the people of Luxor are considered Nubians by other Egyptians and if not what
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not exactly an history geek (especially when compared to some of the ,more extreme armchair scholars i run across online)but i got a casual interest on African history and like to enlighten myself when i get the chance as long as i have time and it's not too much to read
I cannot believe i am up this late, The temple is comparable to the ones in Egypt according to archaeologist who did the excavation, and the language throughout this temple is written in Egyptian hieroglypics of that period, however later periods you do have meroitic inscriptions. As of now the temple is now reburied in the same. At the same time Archaeologist continue to excavate every year by looking at settlements, which they did uncovered some impressive finds. Your last question is pretty much irrelevant.
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Sauanaffe Tustunnagee
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which is my point....i'm still waiting for mainstream Egyptionologist to admit the similarities to Egypt and Sudan's ancient temples/ruins exist cause they were created by one/the same people whom emerged from Nubia(where the oldest remnants of pharoanic culture are found
this aint rocket scientist but i was easily able to to put it together using basic knowledge on Nile Valley history i wonder why those professional European and arab Egptiongolgist are taking so long to figure this outnah it's quite relevant to the if there is another major black population outside of the Nubian, Beja minorities in Egypt whom aren't being counted as such...i've noticed some Bedouin people in Egypt whom i assume are arabasized native Egyptian are black too and i bet they aren't counted as blacks either...the racist Imperial Arab Republic of Egypt is intentionally under counting and marginalizing the native black population of Kemet all the while profiting off their history
if you don't know the answer just say it but down play the seriousness of ethnic cleansing of native black Egyptians
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Currently Archaeologist from both Sudan, Egypt, Europe, United States, and Asia is excavating the settlements at Amara west. They also find tombs and other items not far from the settlement. Here is what they excavated and found last year, including a monumental entry gate.
At a depth of 2.5m below present surface, workmen Al-Nezir Mohamed (“Bushi”) and Abou Ad (right) revealed the top of an ancient doorway in the shaft cut through the schist bedrock below pyramid G321. Patience is needed, with the sand fill removed by hauling buckets up the shaft, before we can glimpse into the burial chamber.
We have just commenced excavation of the shaft of G322, but perhaps more exciting is a spread of pottery in the courtyard of the chapel. What will this tell us about funerary rituals at this tomb?
A short distance to the east, Michelle and her team are now over 6m deep in the shaft. More sandstone blocks continue to be revealed, some decorated. Most exciting, however, was the discovery of fragments from faience shabtis, found discarded in the shaft, left behind by (ancient?) looters
At a depth of 2.5m below present surface, workmen Al-Nezir Mohamed (“Bushi”) and Abou Ad (right) revealed the top of an ancient doorway in the shaft cut through the schist bedrock below pyramid G321. Patience is needed, with the sand fill removed by hauling buckets up the shaft, before we can glimpse into the burial chamber.
We have just commenced excavation of the shaft of G322, but perhaps more exciting is a spread of pottery in the courtyard of the chapel. What will this tell us about funerary rituals at this tomb?
A short distance to the east, Michelle and her team are now over 6m deep in the shaft. More sandstone blocks continue to be revealed, some decorated. Most exciting, however, was the discovery of fragments from faience shabtis, found discarded in the shaft, left behind by (ancient?) looters
Over in the walled town, Johannes Auenmüller has excavated a trench that embodies the concept of Groundhog Day. Each day sees us photograph a new floor, made of hard Nile silt, running up to a narrow doorway. Frankly, they all look almost identical. We’re at 7 floors and counting now – what kind of building needed this careful and repeated refurbishment? Yet on the other side of the wall, Tom is digging through layers of industrial waste that may be related to metal production. These two spaces are very distinct, and perhaps had more defined purposes than the houses we have excavated, where many of the rooms probably acted as places for eating, sleeping, making things, housing animals …[/QUOTE
We intend to undertake a full architectural recording of the monument, including additional inscriptions, to better understood how it was built, modified and used. It needs to be reburied before the end of the season to protect it for future generations. Other than the imposing monumentality of the gateway – over 6m long, over 3m wide, and once standing over 4m tall – it is striking how the ground level of the house outside are set high above it, partly set on rubbish dumps.
Beyond the palaeochannel, the cemetery team continued to push further into the depths of the two pyramid tombs. In G320, the workmen have reached a depth of 4.7m below the present surface, with no end yet in sight. Even though the top of a doorway leading to one or more burial chambers on the western side is already visible, a large amount of sand and rocks still hides what lies beyond from our view. The depth also leaves removal of the shaft fill, consisting of sand blown in by the wind over the past 3000 years, increasingly difficult and slow.
In G321, week 3 brought about quite some excitement. Having discovered the top of an entrance at the start of the week, we now know that a central chamber off the western side provides access to two more chambers, one to the west and one to the north. Though not filled until the ceiling, the chambers’ content is nevertheless buried under at least 1m of windblown sand. Whether we will be able to go inside the chambers at all, will depend on the stability of the rock-cut chambers.
The fragments of two sandstone doorjambs in the shaft of G321, with sandbags used to keep the fill of the chamber from entering the shaft.
The shaft of G321, the better preserved pyramid itself already yielded some very important finds. Discarded in the shaft, 4m below the surface, were fragments of two large sandstone doorjambs. Both bear finely carved hieroglyphic inscriptions and may once have stood at the entrance to the funerary chapel.
Abou Ad untying the ropes used to recovered the heavy blocks from a depth of 4 metres below surface.
However, both jambs belong to the right side of a door, thus it remains unclear which – or even if – one of them actually belongs to the tomb.
Detail of inscription from doorjamb found in G321: the prenomen of Ramses II
While one of the jambs gives two of the royal names of Ramses II, another refers to a “Deputy of Kush” – the name is very badly eroded.
http://blog.amarawest.britishmuseum....ara-west-2015/
February | 2015 | Amara West project blog
Amun-Ra Egyptology Blog
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We intend to undertake a full architectural recording of the monument, including additional inscriptions, to better understood how it was built, modified and used. It needs to be reburied before the end of the season to protect it for future generations. Other than the imposing monumentality of the gateway – over 6m long, over 3m wide, and once standing over 4m tall – it is striking how the ground level of the house outside are set high above it, partly set on rubbish dumps.
Beyond the palaeochannel, the cemetery team continued to push further into the depths of the two pyramid tombs. In G320, the workmen have reached a depth of 4.7m below the present surface, with no end yet in sight. Even though the top of a doorway leading to one or more burial chambers on the western side is already visible, a large amount of sand and rocks still hides what lies beyond from our view. The depth also leaves removal of the shaft fill, consisting of sand blown in by the wind over the past 3000 years, increasingly difficult and slow.
In G321, week 3 brought about quite some excitement. Having discovered the top of an entrance at the start of the week, we now know that a central chamber off the western side provides access to two more chambers, one to the west and one to the north. Though not filled until the ceiling, the chambers’ content is nevertheless buried under at least 1m of windblown sand. Whether we will be able to go inside the chambers at all, will depend on the stability of the rock-cut chambers.
The fragments of two sandstone doorjambs in the shaft of G321, with sandbags used to keep the fill of the chamber from entering the shaft.
The shaft of G321, the better preserved pyramid itself already yielded some very important finds. Discarded in the shaft, 4m below the surface, were fragments of two large sandstone doorjambs. Both bear finely carved hieroglyphic inscriptions and may once have stood at the entrance to the funerary chapel.
Abou Ad untying the ropes used to recovered the heavy blocks from a depth of 4 metres below surface.
However, both jambs belong to the right side of a door, thus it remains unclear which – or even if – one of them actually belongs to the tomb.
Detail of inscription from doorjamb found in G321: the prenomen of Ramses II
While one of the jambs gives two of the royal names of Ramses II, another refers to a “Deputy of Kush” – the name is very badly eroded.
http://blog.amarawest.britishmuseum....ara-west-2015/
February | 2015 | Amara West project blog
Amun-Ra Egyptology Blog
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Developing bioarchaology in Sudan – workshop at the Sudan National Museum
Michaela Binder, Austrian Archaeological Institute
Skeletal human remains are one of the most important sources of information about life in past human populations. While their detailed study is done by specialists, a general knowledge about their potential and how to record and recover them appropriately in the field in order to allow for consecutive analysis is also vital for archaeologists. Because this kind of training is not available within Sudan, in 2011 the Amara West Project of the British Museum – with the support of the Institute for Bioarchaeology – started a field school program for selected staff of the National Corporation for Antiquities and Museums of Sudan (NCAM). A first workshop covered the basics of analysing and excavating human skeletal remains in the Sudan National Museum.
Mohamed Saad at work in the NCAM bioarchaeology lab
Since then, one of the participants of this first workshop, Mohamed Saad, has received consecutive training both in the field at Amara West, and in the laboratory at the British Museum. He is now in charge of bioarchaeology at NCAM laboratory and conducting research projects on the skeletal collections excavated by NCAM teams – as well as supporting archaeologists during fieldwork projects.
How old was the person when he/she died? Workshop participants learning to estimate age-at-death from the pelvis.
In August 2015, I again travelled to Khartoum to lead, with Mohamed, a second bioarchaeology workshop at NCAM. During lectures and practical sessions, seven inspectors, three curators of the Sudan National Museum and two members of Bahri University explored what and how we can learn from human remains and how they are best dealt with in the field. In a small ad-hoc ‘cemetery’ dug in the garden of the museum, participants had the chance to improve their excavation skills and learn about techniques in how to record and recover single and multiple burials.
The participants of the workshop 2015 in front of the Sudan National Museum
The course finished with a public lecture about the training program and research carried out by the NCAM bioarchaeology. Mohamed and I were joined by senior inspector Mahmoud Bashir who offered an archaeologist’s perspective how his research benefits from the close collaboration with bioarchaeologists. The lecture attracted great interest, particularly from young archaeology students. It is hoped that we will be able to continue to support local researchers in increasing the study of Sudan’s rich record of skeletal human remains within the country itself.
Mohamed Saad explaining field recording of commingled human remains to workshop participants.
Developing bioarchaology in Sudan – workshop at the Sudan National Museum
Michaela Binder, Austrian Archaeological Institute
Skeletal human remains are one of the most important sources of information about life in past human populations. While their detailed study is done by specialists, a general knowledge about their potential and how to record and recover them appropriately in the field in order to allow for consecutive analysis is also vital for archaeologists. Because this kind of training is not available within Sudan, in 2011 the Amara West Project of the British Museum – with the support of the Institute for Bioarchaeology – started a field school program for selected staff of the National Corporation for Antiquities and Museums of Sudan (NCAM). A first workshop covered the basics of analysing and excavating human skeletal remains in the Sudan National Museum.
Mohamed Saad at work in the NCAM bioarchaeology lab
Since then, one of the participants of this first workshop, Mohamed Saad, has received consecutive training both in the field at Amara West, and in the laboratory at the British Museum. He is now in charge of bioarchaeology at NCAM laboratory and conducting research projects on the skeletal collections excavated by NCAM teams – as well as supporting archaeologists during fieldwork projects.
How old was the person when he/she died? Workshop participants learning to estimate age-at-death from the pelvis.
In August 2015, I again travelled to Khartoum to lead, with Mohamed, a second bioarchaeology workshop at NCAM. During lectures and practical sessions, seven inspectors, three curators of the Sudan National Museum and two members of Bahri University explored what and how we can learn from human remains and how they are best dealt with in the field. In a small ad-hoc ‘cemetery’ dug in the garden of the museum, participants had the chance to improve their excavation skills and learn about techniques in how to record and recover single and multiple burials.
The participants of the workshop 2015 in front of the Sudan National Museum
The course finished with a public lecture about the training program and research carried out by the NCAM bioarchaeology. Mohamed and I were joined by senior inspector Mahmoud Bashir who offered an archaeologist’s perspective how his research benefits from the close collaboration with bioarchaeologists. The lecture attracted great interest, particularly from young archaeology students. It is hoped that we will be able to continue to support local researchers in increasing the study of Sudan’s rich record of skeletal human remains within the country itself.
Mohamed Saad explaining field recording of commingled human remains to workshop participants.
Developing bioarchaology in Sudan – workshop at the Sudan National Museum
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Stone eye inlay (with ostrich egg shell) from a coffin mask. Found today in pyramid tomb G322 at #amarawestAmara, Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Michelle Gamble in burial chamber of 19th dynasty (?) pyramid at#amarawest today. Shabti with name found!
tiny chip of rock crystal found at #amarawest: beautiful but we'll never know what it was part ofMedia Tweets by Neal Spencer (@NealSpencer_BM) on Twitter
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This is called a death mask, which is found mainly on top of the coffin of the Pharaoh or Candace. Mainly in the pyramids but also in tombs and other such grave sites.
This death mask is found in (Mirgissa Sudan) and dated the 13th dynasty.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mum...e%3d1%26vd%3d0
This death mask is found in (Mirgissa Sudan) and dated the 13th dynasty.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mum...e%3d1%26vd%3d0
Thread doesn't belong in TLR where it will only get troll filled comments by uneducated people.
And as a bonus of this thread being moved here, this thread will be featured.
And as a bonus of this thread being moved here, this thread will be featured.
Awesome thread
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\I will add a few more monument but staying true to the main subject matter.
Egyptian Carving Defaced by King Tut's Possible Father Discovered
A newly discovered Egyptian carving, which dates back more than 3,300 years, bears the scars of a religious revolution that upended the ancient civilization.
The panel, carved in Nubian Sandstone, was found recently in a tomb at the site of Sedeinga, in modern-day Sudan. It is about 5.8 feet (1.8 meters) tall by 1.3 feet (0.4 m) wide, and was found in two pieces.
Originally, it adorned the walls of a temple at Sedeinga that was dedicated to Queen Tiye (also spelled Tiyi), who died around 1340 B.C. Several centuries after Tiye's death — and after her temple had fallen into ruin — this panel was reused in a tomb as a bench that held a coffin above the floor. [See Photos of the Egyptian Carving and Sedeinga Tomb]
Scars of a revolution
Archaeologists found that the god depicted in the carving, Amun, had his face and hieroglyphs hacked out from the panel. The order to deface the carving came from Akhenaten (reign 1353-1336 B.C.), a pharaoh who tried to focus Egyptian religion around the worship of the "Aten," the sun disk. In his fervor, Akhenaten had the name and images of Amun, a key Egyptian god, obliterated throughout all Egypt-controlled territory.
"All the major inscriptions with the name of Amun in Egypt were erased during his reign," archaeology team member Vincent Francigny, a research associate at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, told Live Science in an interview.
The carving was originally created for the temple of Queen Tiye — Akhenaten's mother — who may have been alive when the defacement occurred. Even so, Francigny stressed that the desecration of the carving wasn't targeted against Akhenaten's own mom.
Today, only one column and a plethora of blocks survive from Queen Tiye's temple, which has not been excavated, Francigny said.
The archaeologists also found that, after Akhenaten's death, the god's face and hieroglyphs on this carving were restored. This restoration may have been done during the reign of the boy king Tutankhamun (reign 1336-1327 B.C.), who is famous for his rich tomb.
"The name of Amun as well as his face were first hammered out and later carved anew, proving that the persecution of this god extended to this remote province during the reign of Akhenaton and that his images were restored during the following reigns," Francigny and Claude Rilly, director of the French archaeological mission in Sedeinga, wrote in the most recent edition of the journal Sudan and Nubia.
Restoration
Akhenaten's religious revolution did not last. Shortly after his death, Tutankhamun, who may have been Akhenaten's son, assumed the throne and returned Egypt to its former polytheistic religion.
This particular carving would have been restored either during King Tut's reign or one of his successors'.
An ancient record tells of Tutankhamun's efforts to try to undo the revolution Akhenaten had unleashed. The account blasts Akhenaten, claiming that his revolution led the gods to abandon Egypt.
The "temples and the cities of the gods and goddesses … were fallen into decay, and their shrines were fallen into ruin, having become mere mounds overgrown with grass," the ancient record states (translation by William Murnane). "The gods were ignoring this land … if one prayed to a god, to ask something from him, he did not come at all, and if one beseeched any goddess in the same way, she did not come at all."
Egyptian Carving Defaced by King Tut's Possible Father Discovered
Egyptian Carving Defaced by King Tut's Possible Father Discovered
A newly discovered Egyptian carving, which dates back more than 3,300 years, bears the scars of a religious revolution that upended the ancient civilization.
The panel, carved in Nubian Sandstone, was found recently in a tomb at the site of Sedeinga, in modern-day Sudan. It is about 5.8 feet (1.8 meters) tall by 1.3 feet (0.4 m) wide, and was found in two pieces.
Originally, it adorned the walls of a temple at Sedeinga that was dedicated to Queen Tiye (also spelled Tiyi), who died around 1340 B.C. Several centuries after Tiye's death — and after her temple had fallen into ruin — this panel was reused in a tomb as a bench that held a coffin above the floor. [See Photos of the Egyptian Carving and Sedeinga Tomb]
Scars of a revolution
Archaeologists found that the god depicted in the carving, Amun, had his face and hieroglyphs hacked out from the panel. The order to deface the carving came from Akhenaten (reign 1353-1336 B.C.), a pharaoh who tried to focus Egyptian religion around the worship of the "Aten," the sun disk. In his fervor, Akhenaten had the name and images of Amun, a key Egyptian god, obliterated throughout all Egypt-controlled territory.
"All the major inscriptions with the name of Amun in Egypt were erased during his reign," archaeology team member Vincent Francigny, a research associate at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, told Live Science in an interview.
The carving was originally created for the temple of Queen Tiye — Akhenaten's mother — who may have been alive when the defacement occurred. Even so, Francigny stressed that the desecration of the carving wasn't targeted against Akhenaten's own mom.
Today, only one column and a plethora of blocks survive from Queen Tiye's temple, which has not been excavated, Francigny said.
The archaeologists also found that, after Akhenaten's death, the god's face and hieroglyphs on this carving were restored. This restoration may have been done during the reign of the boy king Tutankhamun (reign 1336-1327 B.C.), who is famous for his rich tomb.
"The name of Amun as well as his face were first hammered out and later carved anew, proving that the persecution of this god extended to this remote province during the reign of Akhenaton and that his images were restored during the following reigns," Francigny and Claude Rilly, director of the French archaeological mission in Sedeinga, wrote in the most recent edition of the journal Sudan and Nubia.
Restoration
Akhenaten's religious revolution did not last. Shortly after his death, Tutankhamun, who may have been Akhenaten's son, assumed the throne and returned Egypt to its former polytheistic religion.
This particular carving would have been restored either during King Tut's reign or one of his successors'.
An ancient record tells of Tutankhamun's efforts to try to undo the revolution Akhenaten had unleashed. The account blasts Akhenaten, claiming that his revolution led the gods to abandon Egypt.
The "temples and the cities of the gods and goddesses … were fallen into decay, and their shrines were fallen into ruin, having become mere mounds overgrown with grass," the ancient record states (translation by William Murnane). "The gods were ignoring this land … if one prayed to a god, to ask something from him, he did not come at all, and if one beseeched any goddess in the same way, she did not come at all."
Egyptian Carving Defaced by King Tut's Possible Father Discovered
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Ruins of her temple. Queen Tiye. (North Sudan)
Société des Cultures Nubiennes- La Nubie historique et archéologique -Sedeinga
35 Ancient Pyramids Discovered in Sudan Necropolis
Société des Cultures Nubiennes- La Nubie historique et archéologique -Sedeinga
35 Ancient Pyramids Discovered in Sudan Necropolis
Sedeinga
Some Meroitic texts mention the gods, dignitaries and priests Atiye.According Audran Labrousse, Atiye perpetuates the name given by the Egyptians of the New Empire to a place called Hout Tiy (Tiye hwt), the temple of Queen Tiye. It is still called today Adeye (Atiye) or Sedeinga. The site includes the remains of a sanctuary established for the sovereign Amenhotep III and his wife, Queen Tiye (c. 1391-1354 BC. AD), a Napatan large and Meroitic necropolis (seventh av.-Fri sièce AD.) and traces of a Christian implantation (VII-XII AD.).According to the pre-historian, Jacques Reinold, Sedeinga is attested from the Neolithic. A vast necropolis spans nearly a kilometer south of the north, west of the temple. The temple of Queen Tiy (Tiye Hout)Excavations Michela Schiff Giorgini began in 1963. In an area today desert, the temple is a mass of sandstone blocks from which emerges a single column in Hathor capital. The fluted door on both sides of the name of the Queen
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Some Meroitic texts mention the gods, dignitaries and priests Atiye.According Audran Labrousse, Atiye perpetuates the name given by the Egyptians of the New Empire to a place called Hout Tiy (Tiye hwt), the temple of Queen Tiye. It is still called today Adeye (Atiye) or Sedeinga. The site includes the remains of a sanctuary established for the sovereign Amenhotep III and his wife, Queen Tiye (c. 1391-1354 BC. AD), a Napatan large and Meroitic necropolis (seventh av.-Fri sièce AD.) and traces of a Christian implantation (VII-XII AD.).According to the pre-historian, Jacques Reinold, Sedeinga is attested from the Neolithic. A vast necropolis spans nearly a kilometer south of the north, west of the temple. The temple of Queen Tiy (Tiye Hout)Excavations Michela Schiff Giorgini began in 1963. In an area today desert, the temple is a mass of sandstone blocks from which emerges a single column in Hathor capital. The fluted door on both sides of the name of the Queen
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