Lets Talk African History: Ancient Nubia

[Misreeya]

The artefacts found at Meroë were of a high quality, rivalling the best Egyptian material produced at this period. Here, the carving on the side of the high altar of the temple of Amun at Meroë, depicting the Egyptian Nile god Hapi, can be seen.

 

[Grano-Grano]

We're the Nubians Nilo-Saharan speakers or Afro-Asiatic speakers? I think Meroite script is a Cushytic language.

 

[Misreeya]

We're the Nubians Nilo-Saharan speakers or Afro-Asiatic speakers? I think Meroite script is a Cushytic language.

The classification of Meroitic is uncertain due to the scarcity of data and difficulty in interpreting it. Since the alphabet was deciphered in 1909, it has been proposed that Meroitic is related to the Nubian languages and similar languages of the Nilo-Saharan phylum. Claude Rilly is the most recent proponent of the Nilo-Saharan idea: he proposes that it is Eastern Sudanic, the Nilo-Saharan family that includes Nubian (Rilly 2004, 2007, 2012).

Rowan (2006, 2011), on the other hand, notes that the Meroitic sound inventory and phonotactics (the only aspects of the language which are secure) are similar to those of the Afroasiatic languages, and dissimilar from Nilo-Saharan languages. For example, very rarely does one find the sequence CVC, where the consonants (C) are both labials or both velars. This is similar to consonant restrictions found throughout the Afroasiatic language family, suggesting that Meroitic might have been an Afroasiatic language like Egyptian. The issue is unresolved and most classifications list Meroitic either as questionably Nilo-Saharan or as unclassified (as Joseph Greenberg did).[7]

Meroitic language - Wikipedia

In reality the area is a language mixed, for example the older pyramids in the far north in Northern Sudan

example this

Most the monuments above was written in Egyptian, which is already deciphered and scholars can read

Whereas the monuments here many of the ruins were written in the Meroitic script, which scholars trying to decipher as of now it is unclassified. In some respects the region was a language mixed, both AfroAsiatic and the Nilo-Sharan languages were spoken, which is quite obvious from the monuments and ruins.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Meroitic language - Wikipedia

In reality the area is a language mixed, for example the older pyramids in the far north in Northern Sudan

example this

Most the monuments above was written in Egyptian, which is already deciphered and scholars can read

Whereas the monuments here many of the ruins were written in the Meroitic script, which scholars trying to decipher as of now it is unclassified. In some respects the region was a language mixed, both AfroAsiatic and the Nilo-Sharan languages were spoken, which is quite obvious from the monuments and ruins.

Dope!! I know the Beja are related to Somalis. But I always felt a kinship with Sudan and the Kush Empire. I really think Sudan was the origin of Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic language groups.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Dope!! I know the Beja are related to Somalis. But I always felt a kinship with Sudan and the Kush Empire. I really think Sudan was the origin of Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic language groups.

It was for the most part.

 

[Grano-Grano]

It was for the most part.

Word. Expand.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Word. Expand.

Pro Afro-Asiatic speakers definitely came from the red sea area of Sudan. And Nilo-Saharans definitely came from Sudan too and it can be said they lived more Northern. But back to AA, we have evidence based on certain E lineages in that area. Sudan has always been a melting pot of different African groups.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Pro Afro-Asiatic speakers definitely came from the red sea area of Sudan. And Nilo-Saharans definitely came from Sudan too and it can be said they lived more Northern. But back to AA, we have evidence based on certain E lineages in that area. Sudan has always been a melting pot of different African groups.

Exactly. It really is the Homeland of the Northeast Africans.

 

[Warthog]

The Nubians have always fascinated me. A proud people with culture to rival Ancient Egypt. Kerma, Kush, Aperdamek, Taharqa, Nobatia, Funj, Kandaces etc.

The Christian period of "Nubia" consisted of three Kingdoms Nobatia(Upper Egypt North Sudan) Makuria(North Sudan proper) Alodia(Central Sudan)more towards Ethiopia. In various times in history Makuria took rulership of Nobatia further north. Most likely of some dynastic drama.

Height of their territory



MEDIEVAL NUBIA
Akhmim - Wikipedia
Edfu - Wikipedia

Makurian art and how the people during the christian period portraited themselves.

Bishops, Queens, Kings and Eparchs.

Makuria - Wikipedia
Nobatia - Wikipedia
Alodia - Wikipedia
https://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/...e-middle-nile/

The Medieval Nubians fukked up those ragheads. Twice. Good.
Back when the Rashidun Caliphate was spreading the 'religion of peace' through sword, fire, pillage and rape. through the MENA region, the Nubian christian kingdoms were the only ones to challenge the ragheads and win decisively. They knew that if they lost, Christian Nubia would burn. The women would be nothing more than sex slaves and their Nubian culture denied to them.
Well done Nubians for blinding the b*stards. Hard to violate a woman when blind huh muslamic!? LOL

1st Dongola Battle
2nd Dongola Battle

 

[Warthog]

A little known Nubian(?) monarchical polity

The Sennar Sultanate/Funj Kingdom

The Funj Sultanate of Sennar (sometimes spelled Sinnar; also known as the Funj Monarchy, Funj Caliphate or Funj Kingdom; traditionally known in Sudan as the Blue Sultanate due to the Sudanese convention of referring to African peoples as blue (Arabic: السلطنة الزرقاء‎, translit. As-Saltana az-Zarqa)) was a sultanate in the north of Sudan, named after the Funj ethnic group of its dynasty, or Sinnar (or Sennar) after its capital, which ruled a substantial area of northeast Africa between 1504 and 1821

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Never really finished this thread.

A number of Meroitic queens called Ka'andakes (Candaces) ruled Nubia-Kush just before the birth of Christ. Candace Amanirenas and her son Prince Akinidad along with the Meroitic Army kept the Romans out of Nubia-Kush. In this scene, they are witnessing the burning of the Roman Garrison in Aswan. Meroitic-Kush never became part of the Roman empire. The formidable leader greatly impressed classical writers, who mistook the royal title of Candace for a personal name. - Reference and photo from Splendors of the Past: Lost Cities of the Ancient World, National Geographic Society, 1981, page 171-173

The most underrated queens in history...

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Without the Kushytes not only Jerusalem but Abrahamic religions wouldn't have ever existed!

In the summer of 701 B.C.E., the powerful Assyrian army ravaged the Hebrew kingdom of Judah and threatened to destroy Jerusalem, the last unconquered city of any size. Scholars agree that if the city had fallen and its people deported, Hebrew culture would have perished. Judaism could therefore not have blossomed several centuries later and its offshoots, Christianity and Islam, could have never existed.

Suddenly, the invaders retreated, leaving the City of David intact. Why? The Bible, which tells the story in the Book of Second Kings, says only that an angel slew many of the foe. The real reason for the Assyrian withdrawal has been one of history’s most enduring mysteries. The Rescue of Jerusalem: The Alliance between Hebrews and Africans in 701 BC argues that Jerusalem was saved by the army sent by Egypt’s 25th Dynasty.

Historians may disagree on how many of ancient Egypt’s 30 dynasties were black. But all historians agree that least one of them was – the 25th. It was this Kushyte (or Nubian) dynasty that sent the army to Jerusalem. This Kushyte army seldom figures in modern biblical scholarship – the result, the book argues, of modern scholarship’s blind spot to Africa’s accomplishments.

Henry Aubin » History

This is mentioned in the Bible. Ironic that it was Africans that saved the fate of these religions.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Certain racist Historians like to paint the Nubians are the "vile Blacks" that the Egyptians hated(yet we know both were closely related), yet they married A LOT constantly....

"The ancient Egyptians referred to a region, located south of the third cataract the Nile River, in which Nubians dwelt as Kush.. Within such context, this phrase is not a racial slur. Throughout the history of ancient Egypt there were numerous, well documented instances that celebrate Nubian-Egyptian marriages. A study of these documents, particularly those dated to both the Egyptian New Kingdom (after 1550 B.C.E.) and to Dynasty XXV and early Dynasty XXVI (about 720-640 BCE), reveals that neither spouse nor any of the children of such unions suffered discrimination at the hands of the ancient Egyptians. Indeed such marriages were never an obstacle to social, economic, or political status, provided the individuals concerned conformed to generally accepted Egyptian social standards. Furthermore, at times, certain Nubian practices, such as tattooing for women, and the unisex fashion of wearing earrings, were wholeheartedly embraced by the ancient Egyptians."

(Bianchi, 2004: p. 4)



^^^All this paints a different image that they were instead integrated.

"It is an extremely difficult task to attempt to describe the Nubians during the course of Egypt's New Kingdom, because their presence appears to have virtually evaporated from the archaeological record. The result has been described as a wholesale Nubian assimilation into Egyptian society. This assimilation was so complete that it masked all Nubian ethnic identities insofar as archaeological remains are concerned beneath the impenetrable veneer of Egypt's material; culture.. In the Kushyte Period, when Nubians ruled as Pharaohs in their own right, the material culture of Dynasty XXV (about 750-655 B.C.E.) was decidedly Egyptian in character.. Nubia's entire landscape up to the region of the Third Cataract was dotted with temples indistinguishable in style and decoration from contemporary temples erected in Egypt. The same observation obtains for the smaller number of typically Egyptian tombs in which these elite Nubian princes were interred."

(Bianchi, 2004, p. 99-100)
- Robert Bianchi ( 2004). Daily Life of the Nubians. Greenwood Publishing Group


@The Odum of Ala Igbo @Don Drogo @Jammer22 thoughts?

 

[Sinnerman]

Oh definitely. I've always read that the Nubians and Egyptians thought of themselves as related. Hell, it was the Asiatics that the Egyptians thought were vile

 

[Warthog]

Never really finished this thread.

A number of Meroitic queens called Ka'andakes (Candaces) ruled Nubia-Kush just before the birth of Christ. Candace Amanirenas and her son Prince Akinidad along with the Meroitic Army kept the Romans out of Nubia-Kush. In this scene, they are witnessing the burning of the Roman Garrison in Aswan. Meroitic-Kush never became part of the Roman empire. The formidable leader greatly impressed classical writers, who mistook the royal title of Candace for a personal name. - Reference and photo from Splendors of the Past: Lost Cities of the Ancient World, National Geographic Society, 1981, page 171-173

The most underrated queens in history...

I'm inclined to agree with you on the bottom statement. Don't get me wrong I'm not on that feminazi SJW shyt. However, I have to give respect where it's due.The Ka'andakes (Candaces) were fearsome.