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Dylann Roof says he chose Charleston, Emanuel AME for massacre because they were historic, meaningful
By Glenn Smith, Jennifer Berry Hawes and Abigail Darlington22 min ago
In a bizarre taped two-hour confession, Dylann Roof told the FBI he selected Charleston and the Emanuel AME Church to carry out a mass shooting because they were historic and would resonate with people as he tried to avenge perceived black injustices against whites.
Roof said he had to carry out the massacre that killed nine parishioners in June 2015 because "somebody had to do something because, you know, black people are killing white people every day on the street, and they're raping white women." He said his shooting rampage was "minuscule" compared to the damage done by blacks.
"I had to do it because no one else is brave enough to do anything about it," the self-avowed white supremacist said during a two-hour video confession taped after his arrest in North Carolina the day after the shooting.
During the chilling confession, Roof, then 21, nonchalantly described to two FBI agents how he walked into Mother Emanuel, the oldest black AME church in the South, carrying a high-powered pistol and a bag full of bullets that he unleashed on worshipers who had welcomed him to their weekly Bible study. He spoke in carefree tones, sometimes scoffing or snickering, while describing the horrific massacre.
Roof said he used a Glock .45-caliber pistol and a pile of ammunition he had purchased from Wal-Marts in the Columbia area as he had spare money. He began the interview quickly telling the agents that he "went to that church in Charleston and, uh, I did it."
When the agents asked what he'd done, he initially demurred, saying he didn't want to come right out and say it, even though he wasn't concerned about implicating himself. They encouraged him to just come right out and say it.
"Well, I killed them, I guess," Roof said with a chuckle.
"Did you shoot them?" the agent asked.
"Yes," Roof replied matter-of-factly.
One agent asked how many people he shot, and Roof seemed unsure. "If I had to guess ... five. Maybe. I'm not sure. Four or five."
When they later told Roof he had killed nine people, Roof didn't believe them.
"There wasn't even nine people there!" he said, pausing. "Are you guys lying to me?"
As Roof rubbed the conference table in front of him with one finger, an agent said that eight people died inside the church and one at the hospital. Roof paused for several seconds and answered softly, "Oh well."
When they asked how the deaths made him feel, Roof paused again.
"Well, it makes me feel bad," Roof added.
The comment seemed odd given he'd just detailed his white supremacist views and calmly described why he killed targeted black people in an historic church. An FBI agent then recapped the white supremacist views Roof had laid out and his plans to go to Emanuel AME because only black people would be at the Bible study. The agent asked Roof why he did it.
"Uh, uh, I don't know," Roof answered.
The three adult shooting survivors crammed into the prosecutors' side of the courtroom, along with other victims' loved ones and church members, listening stoically as Roof described in carefree tones why he gunned down nine people they knew and loved. Tyrone Sanders, whose 26-year-old son Tywanza died in the attack and whose wife and young granddaughter survived, got up as the confession played in court and stalked out whispering angrily to himself. Other family members took notes, and a few wiped their eyes.
No family members sat on the two benches reserved behind Roof as the confession played. Clad in the same charcoal-grey sweater and khaki slacks he wore yesterday, stared without expression at the defense table in front of him as he has throughout testimony.
Roof gave a detailed account of how he walked into the Bible study carrying a military-style bag with seven magazines full of ammunition. Counting the bullets in his gun, he was armed with 88 rounds, FBI Special Agent Michael Stansbury said.
Roof said the bag was heavy and he paused for a moment before taking his place at the table. "I was just sitting there thinking about whether I should do it or not, because I know I could have walked out," he said.
Roof decided to stay. He told the FBI agents he said nothing about his plans to the black parishioners who had welcomed him that night.
"Did you say anything to them beforehand?" Stansbury said.
"No, I didn't say anything to them," Roof replied.
"What about after?"
"Um, well, like during I said 'Don't talk to me' or something like that," Roof said.
Did they react to him being in the church, the agent pressed.
"I mean, they reacted after I shot, right," Roof said with a chuckle.
Roof also showed the agents how he pulled the gun from his bag while seated at the table, whipping his right arm up in a fluid motion. He thought he had been at the gathering for about 15 minutes at that point. It was more like 50. Once he started shooting, he said, "it was very fast."
Authorities have said Roof intended to start a race war. But in his confession, Roof said he thought a race war would be "pretty terrible" and "sort of unrealistic." Perhaps, he said, a better answer would be a return to racial segregation. He said he also he considered himself more of a "white nationalist" than a white supremacist, but he later expressed his view that the white race was superior to others because "we invented a lot more things than them."
At one point when agents asked why he wore black clothes, he joked: "Black is a nice color -- for clothes."
Roof also denied being a neo-Nazi, despite an affinity for movies such as "Made in Britain," a 1982 film about a foul-mouth and racially abusive skinhead who refuses to conform to authority. Agents found a copy of that movie that he had left behind in his father's home. Roof said he didn't consider the film racist. When pressed about his believes about the Nazis and their infamous leader, Roof said: "No, I support Hitler, sure."
Roof said he first latched onto this line of thinking after reading about Trayvon Martin, a black teenager gunned down by a community watchman in Florida in 2012. White supremacist groups have used Martin's killing to advance a racially-fueled - and false, experts say - narrative about black-on-white crime.
Roof said he picked a church to make his violent statement because it posed little risk. He chose Emanuel AME in particular after researching AME churches and learning about Emanuel's history on
sciway.net, a large directory of information about South Carolina. "I didn't want to go to another church because there could have been white people there," he said, indicating that he didn't want to harm white people.
In scouting out the site, he stopped an Emanuel parishioner at one point and inquired about the time of their services and Bible study meetings, he said.
"I just knew that would be a place where there would be a small amount of black people," he said. "I thought about a black festival or something like that, but they have security," he said.
Agents asked him if he wished there had been more people inside Emanuel that night. "Noooooo," Roof said with a laugh. "If that was the case I would have shot everyone in there."
Three people in the fellowship hall that night survived the shooting - one authorities say that Roof let live to tell his story, and two others who played dead. Roof said he didn't want to shoot one woman left alive because she was looking at him.
Agents asked Roof how he felt about what he had done, Roof replied: "It makes me feel bad."
One of the agents questioned why, given that he had set out to kill black people. Roof had no answer.
After shooting 77 times in rapid fire, Roof said he was "pacing around because I was kind of freaking out." He left the church with bullets left in one magazine in case police awaited him outside. He slipped out the door he'd come in and peeked out into the darkness, surprised that no law enforcement officers had arrived. He'd planned to shoot himself if they were there.
"To be honest, I was in absolute awe that that nobody was out there after I shot so many bullets. What were these cops doing?" he asked.
Instead, he slipped back into his car parked beside the door and drove away onto an interstate. He had no real planned destination, instead driving to Charlotte and pondering whether to head for Nashville given he'd never been there before. Along the way, he decided suicide was a bad idea.
When asked if he'd commit the crime again, Roof laughed. "I might walk out (of the church). I'm not gonna lie."
Roof spent time leading up to his confession handcuffed and munching a meal from Burger King after his arrest in Shelby, N.C., following his arrest the day after the massacre, police officers testified Friday.
Shelby investigator Matt Styers said he sat with Roof for hours in the station's interview room, a small space that once served as a library. Police bought Roof a burger, as they would any suspect who was hungry, and waited for FBI agents to arrive to take Roof's statement. Roof didn't seem to be under the influence of any substance or medications, and he didn't seem tired or distressed, Styers testified.
Roof basically just stared straight ahead the whole time, Styers said. When asked if Roof got any special treatment, Styers said: "Absolutely not."
Prosecutors plan to play that confession in its entirety, marking the first time the public has heard extensively from the self-avowed white supremacist.
Before testimony began, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Richardson told the court the confession would show Roof was cooperative with investigators - even effusive at times - as he detailed what had happened. "He was eager to explain what he was trying to do," he said. "He had a relaxed demeanor, almost jovial."
In court, Roof has remained staunchly stone-faced, scarcely moving or looking up from the defense table in front of him, even when the victims' loved ones' sobs filled the gallery and horrific images from the massacre displayed on TV screens around the courtroom. Until yesterday, when he wore a grey cable-knit sweater and slacks, Roof had showed up in his striped jail jumpsuit.