Lets revisit Eminem saying that "he dont like that N!GGER sh!t" (how was this line forgiven)

[aRoMaN21]

I'm a grown man, you ain't gonna bait me into doing what YOU want me to do with petty insults, it means nothing to me. I've said my age on here previously so it's no biggie, but I won't tell you what you want on your command. I'll do what I want. From your posts you seem to have racist/preduice tendencies yourself, so it's NO surprise who you idolize. No game, facts, anyone who actually does the knowledge on it truly will see.

A grown man?
at 23?

 

[The Ruler 09]

A grown man?
at 23?

Now your making up fake ages lmao. This is the PEFRECT example of the lies and truth between the posts. Thanks.

 

[Prae]

Eminem grew up in a trailer park in Warren, nikkas saying he had 90% percent black friends are way off the mark.

The post that someone made was the 90% of Detroit (where Em grew up) is black. And as already pointed out above he didn't live in a trailer park.

It did show, he made the tapes. He's said other shyt which has been more subliminal too.

Yeah I don't know about Eminem and Proof, but it still doesn't mean cause he liked proof he can't be preduice. I know of people with black relatives that are MAD racist, I mean serious extreme racist shyt.

There are articles about the Proof/Eminem situation, I will try to find it. If not somebody else may be able to do that.

I'm not saying Eminem has to speak out against black problems. My only point was I didn't agree with the racist tapes, or forgive him as his apology was unacceptable. Others have a right to do what they wish, I'm speaking for myself.

I've seen a lot of things that suggest preduice yes. Over the years, will dig up some things at some point. Also there is a debate about the age he was during the tapes, some say he was 21.

Eminem in my opinion hasn't had that clear huge evolution or atoned for what he did wrong in the past properly. How can there be forgiveness without proper contrition?

There are different levels of racism/prejudice. Like I said I'm not saying Eminem wants to murder all black people, but I do believe a predudice exists.

I don't think you are grasping the concept of BEST FRIEND. I don't know how you can compare someone's best friend to a teammate/co-worker/relative. You don't choose who you work with or are related to (well for the most part). Your best friend is someone who means more to you than almost anyone else on the planet. Completely different scenarios.

It does look like you might be right about being different ages with different tapes. 1998 (16) with Foolish Pride. 1993 (21) with So Many Styles. So instead of being a dumbass kid for 1 year, it went on for a couple years. I'll still go with my thief analogy - if someone is a criminal for 5 years, but turns around and becomes a better person, what good does it do to continue to hold past actions against them?

And again I think you're just holding Eminem to your own expectations. I would agree that he could have given a better apology, but it is what it is. He still apologized for it. If he said "I'm sooooooooooo sorry, I was wrong for what I did" - would it really make you feel any better? And no matter what he says it still doesn't change the fact that he did what he did, and that the past is the past.

It's not like he personally went up to some girl and called her a n****. It's not like he has an individual to apologize to. It's not like he put those tapes out for the general public to hear either. He made that shyt in his basement while messing around. You're asking him to apologize for something he didn't even fully contribute to (in terms of having an audience to what he was saying/hurting people's feelings). I'm not saying that as an excuse or anything, because what he did and said was still wrong no doubt about it. But if those tapes stay in his basement collecting dust, and if Marshall never becomes Eminem, those tapes never have any effect on anyone at all other than a few white friends.

Say I write some hate letters towards somebody, but never show those to them and just toss that stuff in my desk. Then I go on with the next 20 years of my life without writing other hate letters or doing anything disrespectful towards them and get along with them fine. Then one day they happen to find it and read it. Am I supposed to apologize for something I never intended to show them in the first place? "Uh yea, I wrote some bullshyt about you when I was younger, I didn't think enough of it to make an issue out of it in everyday life......but uh sorry anyways"

Also everything Eminem does is put under a microscope because of who he is. If he's just a normal dude, nobody gives a fukk. Coli members can come on here and post cac this cac that and can do and say whatever the hell they want (and most of the time they're just fukking around). But if they get famous, people are going to pull up their comments and say "look at what you said! You're a racist! Apologize!" You're holding Em to a higher standerd than you would a regular person (such as people on this forum). If someone says the n-word on here you're not going to ask them to apologize for it and post some long, thought out essay on why they were wrong. You'll just tell them to fukk off.

 

[desp]

to @The Ruler 09 for holding it down in here

 

[SunZoo]

What did Styles say again? He weren't the only one though, K-Rino and Last Emperor both did at the time.

He said something about wanting to kick his teeth in, but they did welcome 2 d block a short time after that.

Budden and Crooked both spoke about it in the source as well, he and Yayo supposedly had a sit down, Benzino was saying he would want to work with em as early as 2008 and while i'm sure he could use the check/attention he seems to be genuine in his sentiment.

 

[aRoMaN21]

Now your making up fake ages lmao. This is the PEFRECT example of the lies and truth between the posts. Thanks.

Like your lies?
You can hate eminem all you want. but to keep doing it after he apologized is stubborn and ignorant.
i can understand your rants on here if he never apologized, but you're only doing this smear campaign because you feel his apology WASNT GOOD ENOUGH.
thats some ignorant stubborn shyt right there.
yet, you say you're not racist but you wont forgive eminem BECAUSE HE IS WHITE.
if rap as a whole apologized to blakk women i would drop dead.
why arent you attakking snoop dog who talked about blakk bytches and why arent you attakking 2 live crew?
oh. they arent white



and ice cube called white people wet smelling dogs and never apologized but yet gets paid in cac money. and thats not foul?
but yet eminem being in rap is foul bc he made a tape that he apologized for to a fan base that doesnt really buy his albums.
why would he apologize if he already knew noone would care and forgive him, like you.
he did it cuz he meant it.
you seem to have issues. and i think you never been to church or had a moment where god was in your life to soften your heart.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Listening to it again I think he mostly got a pass because none of the racist shyt came across as malicious, this was very goofy.

 

[Renzo]

This is boring me now lol. Has been for a while lol. What's his daughter got to do with it? No EVERYTHING I say is the truth, your on Eminem's dikk TOO hard. Who was this black woman he supposedly dated by the way? What's her name? I'm saying my opinion, do you think it's a mature and sincere apology after being exposed for racist statements to say all women are bytches within it? No, that is not someone that is enlightened. Plus like I said, are several other tapes where he called black people moon crickets and porch monkeys and all sorts. My agenda is righteousness. Yours is to defend Eminem....

To add to your point, if him and proof were so tight and 90% of his friends were black, that should've been more than enough reason for him NOT to even have made the track in the first place, something dont add up and if any of these lames can be real instead of deflecting the issue the will see duke cleary has some racist views. Talking about him signing black artist like thats some kinda pass or some shyt, slave owners let black women raise their kids too, dont mean they care for them either.

 

[aRoMaN21]

to @The Ruler 09 for holding it down in here

and your children will be stubborn and hold grudges their whole life.
some example you set/

 

[desp]

Bu-bu-but guys, Ice Cube made Cave bytch so Eminem can spew hatred for blacks all he wants, right?

 

[Prae]

Listening to it again I think he mostly got a pass because none of the racist shyt came across as malicious, this was very goofy.

This is the other tape FYI, where the thread title comes from



Kick a hyper lyric every time I roll upon a,
Track, You know I'm not wack,
You have to step back,
Cause if you don't, I prove that I'm the mac,
Every time I kick a lyric tune to 2,2,95.
Yo, Do you find me Live?
If you don't then that's alright cause I just grab the microphone,
And I just got to get to hype when I speak in a hyper tone.
There's so many styles I might get thrown
And here's the place where I like to roam
And all the girls that I like to bone
Have the big butts, no they don't
'Cause I don't like that ****** shyt.
I'm just here to make a bigger hit
When I be kickin' the hypest, dopest rhyme
Just say that Eminem is the best MC of all times.

 

[aRoMaN21]

To add to your point, if him and proof were so tight and 90% of his friends were black, that should've been more than enough reason for him NOT to even have made the track in the first place, something dont add up and if any of these lames can be real instead of deflecting the issue the will see duke cleary has some racist views. Talking about him signing black artist like thats some kinda pass or some shyt, slave owners let black women raise their kids too, dont mean they care for them either.

u act like eminem's friends didnt say honkey and crakker and racist shyt too

 

[Still Benefited]

and ice cube gets a pass and said much worse and wasnt a stupid teenager when he did it.

How dare ya dumb azz bring up Cube,a legend to defend Eminem but im not surprised

Get this through your head,YOU and EMINEM are visitors in this shyt,you cant do or say what black folks do. Would you go to a mosque and tell them "Jesus is real and he is white"....YOU went to they mosque so its only right you sit back and shut the fuk up...Eminem actually got more sense than ya dumb azz,i must give him that at least...He wanted to make it in the rap game he had no choice but to be around black people and at least pretend to like us...I don't doubt the racist faded away like it does in most people once exposed to the race they say they hate and realize "they not all so bad"...Cube said the same happened to him....Fact is Cube is making black music and that sentiment is relateable and understandable to us....Eminem is also making BLACK music...calling us ******s is not relateable to us and not tolerated by any other white person who was to do it....ESPECIALLY one who brings such a wack apology to the table like "bu bu but my imaginary black girlfriend hurt my feelings".....so he cant even be forgiven for what he said as im not buyin that "girlfriend" story....he could've used it as a moment to say "I had bad experiences with a few black people,i was ignorant,got to know more black people and realized it was stupid what I did,im sorry"


Why is it Cube has had to address his past "racist" views numerous times regarding shyt he said about jews and cave bytches....and he gladly talks about his growth when he really don't have to explain to us....meanwhile Eminem has damn near NEVER been asked or required to address this shyt at all....fuk you and Eminen,to the bushes with both of yall...and get mad,i want you to call me a ****** like u did ol girl so we can prove the point of this thread....Eminem still got a little racist in em just like most you cacs

 

[aRoMaN21]

Bu-bu-but guys, Ice Cube made Cave bytch so Eminem can spew hatred for blacks all he wants, right?

thats how u see it?

 

[The Ruler 09]

The post that someone made was the 90% of Detroit (where Em grew up) is black. And as already pointed out above he didn't live in a trailer park.


I don't think you are grasping the concept of BEST FRIEND. I don't know how you can compare someone's best friend to a teammate/co-worker/relative. You don't choose who you work with or are related to (well for the most part). Your best friend is someone who means more to you than almost anyone else on the planet. Completely different scenarios.

It does look like you might be right about being different ages with different tapes. 1998 (16) with Foolish Pride. 1993 (21) with So Many Styles. So instead of being a dumbass kid for 1 year, it went on for a couple years. I'll still go with my thief analogy - if someone is a criminal for 5 years, but turns around and becomes a better person, what good does it do to continue to hold past actions against them?

And again I think you're just holding Eminem to your own expectations. I would agree that he could have gave a better apology, but it is what it is. He still apologized for it. If he said "I'm sooooooooooo sorry, I was wrong for what I did" - would it really make you feel any better? And no matter what he says it still doesn't change the fact that he did what he did, and that the past is the past.

It's not like he personally went up to some girl and called her a n****. t's not like he put those tapes out for the general public to hear. He made that shyt in his basement while messing around. You're asking him to apologize for something he didn't even fully contribute to (in terms of having an audience to what he was saying/hurting people's feelings). I'm not saying that as an excuse or anything, because what he did and said was still wrong no doubt about it. But if those tapes stay in his basement collecting dust, and if Marshall never becomes Eminem, those tapes never have any effect on anyone at all other than a few white friends.

Say I write some hate letters towards somebody, but never show those to them and just toss that stuff in my desk. Then I go on with the next 20 years of my life without writing other hate letters or doing anything disrespectful towards them and get along with them fine. Then one day they happen to find it and read it. Am I supposed to apologize for something I never intended to show them in the first place? "Uh yea, I wrote some bullshyt about you when I was younger, I didn't think enough of it to make an issue out of it in everyday life......but uh sorry anyways"

Also everything Eminem does is put under a microscope because of who he is. If he's just a normal dude, nobody gives a fukk. Coli members can come on here and post cac this cac that and can do and say whatever the hell they want (and most of the time they're just fukking around). But if they get famous, people are going to pull up their comments and say "look at what you said! You're a racist! Apologize!"

The whole "best friend" thing... unless you can see into someone's heart you don't know that. Out of curiosity, how many solo albums did Proof release on Shady? I'm not sure what you mean, Proof was also someone he worked with, they made music together no?

So if he was 21 when he made some of the tapes, that's an adult, you are responsible at that age. Infact over 18 is. Fam, I don't feel like he's become a good enough person for me to overlook what he did. He's still talking about rape and showing huge disrespect for all women, which I dislike equally as much as the racism. It would be different if he had clearly showed enlightenment and made a frank and honest apology that was filled with sincerity and maturity, then could start talking about forgiveness. But I didn't feel or see that to get to that stage. But it's everyone's individual choice when it comes to forgiveness brother, I'm not speaking for everyone but for myself.

Nah see, that's not what I'm saying. There is a world of difference between a sincere apology and an insincere one, when it comes to atonement and forgiveness. If someone murdered your mum and then gave an apology that you felt insincere and half assed would you forgive them? If they had a sincere heartfelt apology, obviously you would never be friends but some people on those grounds would be opening to at least forgiving if not forgetting.

Being racist behind someones back doesn't make it better than being racist to someone's face to me. It isn't just the effect but what was said and the way it was said. Depends what your saying in those letters, if you said you wanted to rape someones little girl, then yes I would expect an apology, even after that time, cause it's unacceptable.

I'm just talking for myself, I've never called no innocent white people nothing racial as I've said.