Let's end this pro boxer vs coli discussion. Anybody decent in grappling could easily beat a pro lightweight boxer.

[murksiderock]

I feel like its useful in 1 on 1 situations, but grappling takes time. Striking is definitely the quickest way to handle multiple attackers if you can one shot, or at least back people up. This is all what my theoretical mind is thinking tho. I've never fought multiple people before

Most of these dudes have never fought off multiple dudes either...

I favor the grappler over the boxer in a 1v1 street fight in most scenarios, provided the brawler at least has some hand work. The guy with the more varied fight game will always have the advantage on a one trick pony so long as he can take a punch and has some hands himself...

But in a situation where you have multiple dudes to fight, not having great hand skills is only gonna get you packed out. You can back dudes off you with punches. You grab a man and there's multiple other guys you're putting yourself in poor position...

In a 1 vs multiple guys scenario you have to favor the guy with superior hand skills...

 

[BigBlackSea]

I feel like its useful in 1 on 1 situations, but grappling takes time. Striking is definitely the quickest way to handle multiple attackers if you can one shot, or at least back people up. This is all what my theoretical mind is thinking tho. I've never fought multiple people before

If we're going to be honest, trying to fight multiple assailant in the street is a recipe for disaster unless you are fighting unarmed dwarves.

Unless you somehow got Spidey Sense to see the punches coming for the back of your head, you're better off bailing out of there. Not mention all this fisticuffs/martial arts nonsense goes out the window when dirty tricks, guns, and knives start to enter the picture.

 

[Deafheaven]

Stopped reading there

That cac icy mike is a bum with the hands too who cares what his opinion is.

 

[F*ckthemkids]

Anyone who has spent any time at a reputable school knows that going to the ground is a no-no. Even the self defense curriculum used emphasizes this. It's about neutralizing, and putting your attacker on the ground, while still maintaining a standing or dominant position. Going to the ground in a street fight opens you up to soooo many things. I've seen dudes take guys down, and get their heads punted into the top deck by the dudes they were fighting's friends. Being able to deliver the most damage, while maintaining the ability to engage, and disengage (fight or flight) as you please is the optimal position.

 

[HabitualChiller]

Grappling is not the best strategy for ALL scenarios. Your sight and movement are limited and you can not see all threats.

BJJ, grappling is very efficient YES, if it is truly one on one and you are able to get a take down, yes you can make quick work of anybody who is not experienced.

BUT in reality a boxer, muay thai, kick boxer, high tae kwon do skills can light you up very fast before you can be successful at getting them on the ground

In the UNPREDICTABLE street scenario any of the aforementioned are safer bet than wrestling, grappling, bjj

Especially kickboxing. You shoot for a takedown and fukk around and catch a front kick to the jaw.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Anyone who has spent any time at a reputable school knows that going to the ground is a no-no. Even the self defense curriculum used emphasizes this. It's about neutralizing, and putting your attacker on the ground, while still maintaining a standing or dominant position. Going to the ground in a street fight opens you up to soooo many things. I've seen dudes take guys down, and get their heads punted into the top deck by the dudes they were fighting's friends. Being able to deliver the most damage, while maintaining the ability to engage, and disengage (fight or flight) as you please is the optimal position.

You don't have to go to the ground in wrestling, judo, or muay thai. BJJ I'm not sure.

Slams to the ground deliver way more damage than a punch.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Especially kickboxing. You shoot for a takedown and fukk around and catch a front kick to the jaw.

The Gracie family fought plenty of kickers and dominated

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Grappling is not the best strategy for ALL scenarios. Your sight and movement are limited and you can not see all threats.

BJJ, grappling is very efficient YES, if it is truly one on one and you are able to get a take down, yes you can make quick work of anybody who is not experienced.

BUT in reality a boxer, muay thai, kick boxer, high tae kwon do skills can light you up very fast before you can be successful at getting them on the ground

In the UNPREDICTABLE street scenario any of the aforementioned are safer bet than wrestling, grappling, bjj

So why didn't this happen to the Gracie family?

Kicks in a street fight are risky, because you might hit gravel and lose balance.

 

[Phitz]

So why didn't this happen to the Gracie family?

Kicks in a street fight are risky, because you might hit gravel and lose balance.

kick, knee, elbow, whatever

a basic jab or a knee will keep you honest and make you think twice about grabbing,

and IF you get some leverage, your lights can go out while you're both on your way to the ground

 

[Deafheaven]

So why didn't this happen to the Gracie family?

Kicks in a street fight are risky, because you might hit gravel and lose balance.

Are you fighting in a fukking blizzard my guy what are you talking about

 

[F*ckthemkids]

You don't have to go to the ground in wrestling, judo, or muay thai. BJJ I'm not sure.

Slams to the ground deliver way more damage than a punch.

Muay Thai is the best for street fighting. A thai fighter will just chop you down with kicks. BJJ schools are required by law to teach a self defense curriculum along side the "sport" c urriculum. which involves neutralizing an advancing opponent. Throws, trips, standing or seated joint locks. It's basically used to get a guy off you. Judo is the same. It requires you to close the distance, and get ahold of a lapel, or shirt. Slams do hurt more, but you have to get to that position and a boxer isn't going to let you just grab him, and throws don't work without proper leverage. It comes down to this... How much damage are you willing to take in order to get that slam?

 

[Deafheaven]

Muay Thai is the best for street fighting. A thai fighter will just chop you down with kicks. BJJ schools are required by law to teach a self defense curriculum along side the "sport" c urriculum. which involves neutralizing an advancing opponent. Throws, trips, standing or seated joint locks. It's basically used to get a guy off you. Judo is the same. It requires you to close the distance, and get ahold of a lapel, or shirt. Slams do hurt more, but you have to get to that position and a boxer isn't going to let you just grab him, and throws don't work without proper leverage. It comes down to this... How much damage are you willing to take in order to get that slam?

Also to add onto this boxing training general has the benefit of practioners actually having been cracked and hard sparring (we go to hard sometimes tbh) whereaways a lot of disciplines first time getting rocked…is IRL lol. If all you train is bbj as self I think you pouring jelly on yourself cuz if you run into someone who can crack and does land its going to fukk your wholleeee shyt up reaction wise

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

kick, knee, elbow, whatever

a basic jab or a knee will keep you honest and make you think twice about grabbing,

and IF you get some leverage, your lights can go out while you're both on your way to the ground

So why didn't those things work against the Gracie family?

Are you fighting in a fukking blizzard my guy what are you talking about

I've read that throwing kicks in the streets can get you fukked up. Wet grass, gravel, wet gravel. And you better have mastered that kick otherwise you knocking yourself off balance. You better off throwing just punches.

 

[Deafheaven]

So why didn't those things work against the Gracie family?





I've read that throwing kicks in the streets can get you fukked up. Wet grass, gravel, wet gravel. And you better have mastered that kick otherwise you knocking yourself off balance. You better off throwing just punches.

I mean I know how to kick but I def would default to punches cuz I live in MN and it is icy thats why I asked.

By that same logic tho u dont think u can slip goig for a takedown lol.

Im a bit biased ofc cuz I box but it defs gives u the tools to end and disengsge fights quickly. Im not trying to be rolling around in the streets with strangers. Ive seen nikkas get stomped out too much for that.

In black communities long as it stays standing no one steps in its one of our weird ass unwrittens

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Also to add onto this boxing training general has the benefit of practioners actually having been cracked and hard sparring (we go to hard sometimes tbh) whereaways a lot of disciplines first time getting rocked…is IRL lol. If all you train is bbj as self I think you pouring jelly on yourself cuz if you run into someone who can crack and does land its going to fukk your wholleeee shyt up reaction wise

Yeah how many trained wrestlers/BJJ/Judo running up with their face out in the open?

You don't they they're trained to avoid strikes while going takedown?



This is what's gone happen a majority of the time. Imagine if that was concrete.