Lets discuss the potential of what is the Democratic Republic of Congo

[Bawon Samedi]

I'm sorry bro but you are an idiot and I will prove it. USA is built on white supremacy and blacks are oppressed, UK Ireland fought for independence and Scotland is increasingly doing the same, India has Pakistan and Muslim issues as well as rising Hindu supremacy against minorities like beef police, Brazil blacks marginalized like USA, South Africa Apartheid and land reform issues and Russia Chechen secessionists. Africa splitting up will bring peace by stopping tribalism. All the European countries are tribal and successful because the tribes are separate, England land of the English, Finland land of the Finns etc. Somalia was never united before colonialism and Somaliland wants independence from the wretched carcass of Somalia, Somalia isn't as homogenous as you would like to believe sharing different cultures.

And you're banned from this thread.

We already refuted your argument about only homogenous countries being stable. White supremacy or NOT the USA is the most diverse country in the world while being stable. You're just saving face right not. And your points on Somalia is weak as hell considering Somalia has always been united in history(look up Ajuraan empire), but more important you're changing the goal post as Somalia is STILL homogeneous via ethnicity whether it be Somaliland or not! And the UK is still one country. All countries start out as ethnic tribal wars end then become unified under a nationality. We've seen this constantly in Europe, Asia and slowly Africa.

 

[Poitier]

I need a bit of time to ponder a topic. Possible topics I'm thinking of include:
- South Africa's future demographics (unless their fertility rate rises, they will need immigrants in the coming decades)
- The Future of the Somali Peoples (Will Somalia reconfigure itself? What impact will that have on the Ogaden, North-East Kenya etc.?)
- AFRICOM
- The Sudans (The never-ending wars of al-Bashir and the new conflicts in South Sudan)

1. I was not aware of SA's declining fertility so that would be a great topic.
2. This could be a great topic if the Somalis on here offered great insight and don't turn it into a qabalist clan war or Somali vs "Bantu" flame war
3. Another great topic though I'm sure Obama and Hillary supporters would be out to deflect.
4. Think Stranglehold already did a thread on this

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Tommy Knocks

I see that you're back at frequenting these boards. As someone who is part Congolese what are your thoughts/opinions on the OP?

 

[Fox]

The DRC like the rest of Africa has to save itself nobody is going to willingly remove their foot off your neck especially when it's a big part of why they're in the position they occupy. I've said it before that if Kelvin Doe living on less than a dollar a day can teach himself engineering at the age of fourteen then African leaders ought to be able to conjure up a solution to some of the chaos. I get depressed talking about the Congo, I think a leader like Lumumba would've not only brought a high quality of living to Congolese but would've also propelled the living standards across the whole of Africa.

Looking at Africa's war resume there's no excuse for there not to be WMDs in the right hands over there. If little backwoods Pakistan can make it happen I wonder (although I know) what's holding back the African leadership? If I knew I had 24 trillion under the ground I'd have to take my chances with the threat of nuclear violence.

 

[3rdWorld]

Just keep the asian's and West out and everything eventually will work out..

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Bump for @Frangala

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

http://allafrica.com/stories/201702060001.html

How much of this is true?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

http://allafrica.com/stories/201702060001.html

How much of this is true?

I believe @MansaMusa and @Frangala were talking about that in the other thread.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Well... At least they're still talking about it...

Inga 3 hydroelectric project to double in size

The Democratic Republic of Congo has announced plans to double the size of its planned Inga 3 hydroelectric plant.

Reuters reported that this move is to make it more economical “after the $14 billion project was hit by financing problems."

Inga 3 hydroelectric project
According to Bruno Kapandji, director of the Agency for the Development and Promotion of the Grand Inga Project, the plant would be built to produce between 10,000 and 12,000 megawatts of power, more than double the originally planned capacity of 4,800 MW, Reuters reported.

“Inga 3 is part of a $50 billion-$80 billion project to expand hydroelectric dams along the Congo River, but the project has repeatedly been delayed by red tape and disagreements between Congo and its partners on the project,” Reuters reported.

According to the project’s director, the consortium led by China Three Gorges Corporation and another consortium that includes Spain's ACS (Actividades de Construccion y Servicios SA), will submit a joint bid on the expanded project in September.

Reuters further noted: “Increased capacity would help meet rising power demand and bring down costs, he said, although he did not say how much the expanded project would cost.

“The original $14 billion project struggled to attract financing and the World Bank last year suspended funding after the president's office took control of the project, raising transparency concerns at the bank.”

South Africa to procure generated power
In 2014, South Africa signed a power purchase agreement with the DRC for the supply of 2,500MW of power generated from The Grand Inga Dam – Inga Project 3.

This was a mere formality following the authorisation of the Grand Inga Treaty by government and will allow SA officials to begin providing support to Congo before the commencement of the tender process.

Inga 3 hydroelectric project to double in size

 

[Professor Emeritus]

"I said before it makes Nigeria potential(and Angolas) look like nothing."

Not sure I agree.

Human capital > finished goods > raw commodities.

BAM


I came in here to say this and glad someone else said it right there on the front page.

I appreciate the OP's sentiment because we should be thinking positive, and not ever get stuck the in mindframe that just because a country in difficulties now, that things can't be different 30 years from now.

But raw materials ain't the way it going to happen.

Look at the world and you should figure that out. Do Europe and Japan and New Zealand see success because of their available raw materials? Did the "Asian Tigers" (South Korea and Taiwan and Hong Kong and Singapore) take off in the last 50 years because of all their mineral deposits? Why is it that the Middle East countries with virtually no oil (the UAE and Israel) and the most developed, while the ones with the most oil have either regressed (Iraq and Iran) or just seen a massive wealth disparity between the powerful and everyone else (Saudi and Kuwait)? Why is Russia full of natural resources but just limping along, while China has fewer resources but has taken off like a rocket? Why are so many of the resource-heavy African countries in such poor shape, while the African countries doing the best aren't necessarily the ones with the most resources?

I brought this up in the thread about Nigeria selling off its oil. Nigeria has gotten WORSE, not better, since it began pumping its oil in large quantities for foreign export. That's half the reason why they in the middle of a brutal, horrific war with Boko Haram right now.

The only two resources that really matter are food and energy. Those are the things you need to have to take care of your own people. If you can get all the food and energy you need, you'll figure out a way to get everything else. And there are a lot of ways to get energy besides fossil fuels...and it doesn't help your own energy independence if you export it elsewhere.


Raw materials are a target for warfare, a target for internal fighting over the wealth, a target for external jealousy, a target for global manipulation by the capitalist powers, and a false hope that distracts from the things that really need improvement.

Congo has potential, but the potential is in the people and the land, not in the things. People who care about Congo need to rise above the manipulators and aggressors (which include greedy western capitalists, opportunistic asian nations, Congo's rival neighbors, and violent element from within) to get the true potential of the people.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@BlackManLiveFromLondon

Would like to hear more of your thoughts when you have the time.

 

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

Well for starters the Inga Dam is a bit controversial because we dont have the money to build it, the World Bank was going to fund it but then they pulled out. I reckon in the future they'll think of slapping the 80 billion or so to build. Only problem is do we really want the World Banks money... as we are now we would be in debt forever (you know how the World Bank works and lets be real, which country has the most influence in the WB )

Also, the dam would power more of Congo and other countries but it wont reach everyone in the country. For it to be as effective as possible the powerlines and grids need to be good enough to handle the electricity and I know for a fact we are nowhere near this target.

The idea sounds nice but building this dam is pretty much selling the country to the World Bank which is pretty much..selling the country to the US

Them swahili brehs in the east of the country for example are better off having investments into geothermal energy (I never realised the east was littered with multiple volcanoes )

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Well for starters the Inga Dam is a bit controversial because we dont have the money to build it, the World Bank was going to fund it but then they pulled out. I reckon in the future they'll think of slapping the 80 billion or so to build. Only problem is do we really want the World Banks money... as we are now we would be in debt forever (you know how the World Bank works and lets be real, which country has the most influence in the WB )

Also, the dam would power more of Congo and other countries but it wont reach everyone in the country. For it to be as effective as possible the powerlines and grids need to be good enough to handle the electricity and I know for a fact we are nowhere near this target.

The idea sounds nice but building this dam is pretty much selling the country to the World Bank which is pretty much..selling the country to the US

Them swahili brehs in the east of the country for example are better off having investments into geothermal energy (I never realised the east was littered with multiple volcanoes )

I heard about the one in Tanzania...

 

[JahFocus CS]

DRC is an amazing place, so much potential. I want to visit.

Chakabars is out there setting up orphanages and shizz

 

[Frangala]

Simple solution for Congo. Leadership. Have every province specialioze in the extraction of soft and hard commodities and construct manufacturing plants for value addition activities in addition set up schools for the human capital for those industries. Once it gets rid of Kabila. The likes of Franck Diongo, Claude Muyambo (in prison for the moment) people who would die for that country will bring the country forward because I don't trust the current opposition. The country will prosper and the neighbors in the East will be brought to justice.

Balkanization which is everyone's wet dream except the Congolese themselves will not happen because the country does not have a tribalism problem compared to other African counterparts.